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NFL 2021

Johndicezx9 said:
Sean Payton leaving the Saints...

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...an-payton-stepping-away-16-years?platform=amp

Giants next?
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Unlikely. All the noise right now is that Brian Daboll will be the guy (Bills OC).

I was really hoping Les Frazier would work out (Bills DC), because Offense is crap and Football is about Defense, but if B-Dab knows how to build an Offensive Line, I'm all for it.

With Joe Schoen as GM now, it makes sense to pilfer the successful Bills, who were a 20 year laughingstock up until about 4 years ago. One of those guys is coming down from upstate to cross the river and see what he can do.
 
mikev said:
Better hope they draft Josh Allen.
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LOL, it is funny how conveniently people forget that Josh Allen wasn't very good his first 2 years. Daniel Jones has actually never posted a QBR as low as Josh Allen's first season.

If you think Josh Allen solved that team, you aren't paying enough attention to the AFC East. Good Coaching, a well develop team on both sides of the ball, and a good QB are what got them back to the Championship game for the first time in a quarter century.

Daniel Jones can be that guy if they build a team around him. If not, maybe Schoen will draft a new guy in 2-3 years, but the results the Bills have been having after being a joke for decades can't be denied. I think it is a good route to try.
 
Allen is an example of a project QB working out.
 
mikev said:
Allen is an example of a project QB working out.
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You think? He seems to me more like a top tier rookie guy drafted in the Top 10, who had a rough first couple of years on a bad team, while he learned the pro game and they built the talent up around him.

Good Quarterbacks will play poorly on bad teams. I see a project QB more as a dude that has problems with his fundamentals that you have to train out of him over time, like bad foot placement, weird throwing motion, etc, that kind of thing. :dunno
 
Eldritch said:
LOL, it is funny how conveniently people forget that Josh Allen wasn't very good his first 2 years. Daniel Jones has actually never posted a QBR as low as Josh Allen's first season.

If you think Josh Allen solved that team, you aren't paying enough attention to the AFC East. Good Coaching, a well develop team on both sides of the ball, and a good QB are what got them back to the Championship game for the first time in a quarter century.

Daniel Jones can be that guy if they build a team around him. If not, maybe Schoen will draft a new guy in 2-3 years, but the results the Bills have been having after being a joke for decades can't be denied. I think it is a good route to try.
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I see Daniel Jones as a pretty good QB getting ruined by running for his life all the time. If the new HC can help him with a solid O-Line and some scheming to help him succeed, i think the will flourish. That is, if Jones can get over the mental damage of being on a team with no O-line.
 
Akira-R said:
I see Daniel Jones as a pretty good QB getting ruined by running for his life all the time. If the new HC can help him with a solid O-Line and some scheming to help him succeed, i think the will flourish. That is, if Jones can get over the mental damage of being on a team with no O-line.
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I agree, he was been getting beaten to death for 3 years straight and really not given enough credit for elevating this terrible football team.

Now that he actually has gotten a serious injury from it, next year will be the final chance to see if his instincts have been ruined or if he can be salvaged.

Blue has Andrew Thomas who has proven in his 2nd year that he can last as a good starting LT at the pro level. This is a huge building block. Will Hernandez was an All Rookie at Guard 4 years ago, but his performance has slipped in the rotating cast of rebuild characters and Coach changes since he started. I think they can save him as a long term guy and should exercise his 5th year option.

This means if the Giants can hit a home run and draft a Right Tackle at #5 that can start and contribute well on opening day, they can actually have a decent Offensive Line for the first time since like 2012. Time will tell.
 
Eldritch said:
I agree, he was been getting beaten to death for 3 years straight and really not given enough credit for elevating this terrible football team.

Now that he actually has gotten a serious injury from it, next year will be the final chance to see if his instincts have been ruined or if he can be salvaged.

Blue has Andrew Thomas who has proven in his 2nd year that he can last as a good starting LT at the pro level. This is a huge building block. Will Hernandez was an All Rookie at Guard 4 years ago, but his performance has slipped in the rotating cast of rebuild characters and Coach changes since he started. I think they can save him as a long term guy and should exercise his 5th year option.

This means if the Giants can hit a home run and draft a Right Tackle at #5 that can start and contribute well on opening day, they can actually have a decent Offensive Line for the first time since like 2012. Time will tell.
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Should be hoping to your deity of choice that Evan Neal falls to 5.
 
mikev said:
Should be hoping to your deity of choice that Evan Neal falls to 5.
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I wold love it, but I think it is unlikely. Young Mr. Neal, from all accounts I've heard seems to be tagged as, "The Man who will keep Trevor Lawrence from certain Death."

Ikem Ekwonu, Trevor Penning, Bernhard Raimann, Daniel Faalele, or Charles Cross seem more likely.

For me, I kind of like Faalele as the guy. I know some of those other dudes are ranked a little higher, but at 6' 9" and 380 pounds, he is ALREADY a Giant...
 
All the stuff I see is one of the edge guys to Jax at 1 - either Hutchinson or Thibodeaux(sp?) from Oregon, then someone falls in love with a QB and reaches at 3.

TBH though, yall should go OL with both your picks. Best OT and then trade back and take Linderbaum the C from Iowa - dude's apparently a top 5 C literally next year, like all pro level from day 1.

The line could be fixed with both of those draft picks
 
Has anyone noticed the commercials promoting the NFC Championship game are "Deebo Samuel and the 49ers face Matthew Stanford and the Rams..." with no mention of Garp? :dunno :laughing
 
mikev said:
All the stuff I see is one of the edge guys to Jax at 1 - either Hutchinson or Thibodeaux(sp?) from Oregon, then someone falls in love with a QB and reaches at 3.

TBH though, yall should go OL with both your picks. Best OT and then trade back and take Linderbaum the C from Iowa - dude's apparently a top 5 C literally next year, like all pro level from day 1.

The line could be fixed with both of those draft picks
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No dude, we pick at #5 and #7. We ain't trading back up for shit. I reckon I would prefer a monster pass rusher at #7. Azeez Ojulari looks like the real deal after his rookie season (8 Sacks), so getting another 3 down sack threat in there along with that patched up O-line would flip this team from bottom 5 to competitive again, even if they aren't a playoff team yet.

That being said, if we walked away with Neal and Linderbaum in the 1st round, I have zero complaints. We can build up the pass rush with a top 10 pick in the 2nd round.
 
Denver is hiring the Packers offensive coordinator as their new head coach.
 
Eldritch said:
No dude, we pick at #5 and #7. We ain't trading back up for shit. I reckon I would prefer a monster pass rusher at #7. Azeez Ojulari looks like the real deal after his rookie season (8 Sacks), so getting another 3 down sack threat in there along with that patched up O-line would flip this team from bottom 5 to competitive again, even if they aren't a playoff team yet.

That being said, if we walked away with Neal and Linderbaum in the 1st round, I have zero complaints. We can build up the pass rush with a top 10 pick in the 2nd round.
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I meant Neal drops to 5, then trade down from 7 and get Linderbaum around 10 or 12. I don't think anybody is taking a C that high, the pay scale would be way too wonky even with the rookie salary limit.
 
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