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Nikon D70 ?'s

A friend of mine has a d10 and there is a flitch in the hard programming in the camera. Every now and then it comes up with an error 99. He has taken it to several shops and they all said the same thing. Other than that the camera is great. Nikon knows about the problem but has no way to fix it.
 
I bought a D70 a few months ago and it's awesome. I really really enjoy using it. I enjoy taking pictures with it, and most of all i love the results i get with it. It's an easy camera to use. The interface is nicely done so that you can access almost all the functions you use most often in a snap.

It's a great camera. My buddy has had his for a year or so and he doesn't have a camera bag or anything; just throws it in with his books or whatever else. It's held up perfectly as far as i can tell. No problems a few scratches here and there, but the external body is very resilient.

Just for the record the Nikon crop factor is 1.5 to 1 as compared to 35mm film. The Canon crop factor on the 20d is 1.6 to 1. So basically because the image is cropped a 50mm lens will have the field of view of a 75mm lens on a 35mm cam, obviously it's a little different on the canon but pretty much the same.

I paid $860 for mine with the lens when the $200 rebate was going on. I think it's $100 now.

the kit lens is really great. It has a really really useful range for a DSLR and it's actually built very well and is pretty sharp. Also it has nikon's silent wave motor in it which makes it almost silent when it focuses and fast as well. If you were to go online and buy the lens by itself it's around 300-350 bucks.

lens recommendations: well there's 2 routes and multiple combinations.

1. Consumer grade lens'
get the kit lens (18-70mm) and then get a 70-300mm (I have the sigma APO super macro II, haven't decided if i like it or not) to complete your kit along with a nice prime. Everyone who has the 50 1.8 including myself loves it and for the money ($100) it's a steal. You could also throw in a tokina wide angle lens such as the 12-24 for $500 it's gotten great reviews. So basically this is the cheap way to go

the AF-S lens' will focus faster and have the silent wave motor in them so they'll be quieter. I was amazed at the noise my prime made when i got it, because the only lens i had before that was the kit.

DX means that the lens was specifically designed for a DSLR so it can't be used on a film cam. DX is characterized by supposedly being smaller or whatever, and also the lack of an aperture ring which is now controlled by the body.

2. Pro route. Expensive, 2 ways i see it.
A. Start with the 12-24 nikon, the 28-70 nikon, and then the 70- 200 VR. That will set you back close to $5000.

B. The 17-55dx and then the 70-200 VR. You can throw in some really nice primes like the 50mm 1.4 or the 60mm macro. I've seen the 17-55 for around $1150 or so and obviously the 70-200 is like $1400 or so after the rebate.

all the pro glass mentioned above except the 12-24 has a constant aperture of 2.8 which is great if you need it. The 12-24 is f4. Also the lens quality is superior to anything else you're going to find out there.

it really depends on the ranges that you want or need, but for me and alot of other people the kit lens 18-70 gives you a great range to shoot around with and get used to. It's a great lens and many people people will take it with them on trips and such because it has such a great range as well as being small and light.

check out dpreview.com there is alot of information on that website and you'll benefit from looking through it, but don't get caught up in comparing and contrasting to the point of exhaustion. Especially don't do it if you've already made your choice. You can get sucked into measurebating your camera to death and forget that the important part of photography is taking pictures. I got into the habit of comparing and contrasting everything to the point of being ridiculous. I finally realized what i was doing, but it's a hard habit to get out of.

anyways i would personally go for the D70s with the kit, but if the price difference between the regular d70 and d70s is too big don't worry about it. few improvements were a bigger lcd screen, menu changes and a better continuous autofocus. The d70 can be updated to include those improvements with a firmware update though (thankyou nikon!!!) except for the LCD. There are a few more updates that i've forgotten but they're relatively minor.

I didn't want to end on this but it looks like i have to. I did pick the nikon over similar canon products. Camera feel, picture quality, features for dollar spent, did the manufacturer give me more than they could have?, and ease of use were my criteria.
 
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I own the D70 and the canon 20D. They are both very good cameras. Nikon does claim to have a big buffer but when you shoot in raw the camera does need time to catch up after the 5th frame. I would say the Nikon is easier to use for beginners. You could shoot raw in any of the modes selected. Canon only lets you shoot raw in manual modes. If you decide to get the Nikon I highly recommend the kit lens. Nikons 18-70 kit lens is a metal mount. Canons 18-55 kit lens is all plastic and there is a big difference in glass if you where to hold the two up next to each other. I bought my canon 20D with the 17-85 IS lens. You wont go wrong either way. The pictures only come out as good as the user. Jeff
 
I was *this* close to getting the D70, but ultimately decided to get a Canon 20D instead. They are both great cameras. The deciding factor for me was the higher resolutino and burst rate of the Canon, but Ive samped the D70 and it was excellent.
 
imho.... both cameras 20d and d70 are just ok ... both have good features and bad features both cameras are built cheap and feel fragile ... very plasticy... i own a d70 (hopefully not for much longer ) and have access and used many of the canon (ie d30 d60 10d 20d d-rebel ) stuff including the high end stuff ... both cameras will do the job for any amature hobbiest ....
so why would a guy like me buy a d70 .. well i love the selection and the price of lenses that nikon offers .. like the d series stuff most are very fast lenses (fast as in large apature lens opening ) F2.8 and even bigger WOW ... and dont cost 1200.00 bucks ... i perfer fixed non zoom lenses .. canon lenses at least the good stuff L- series lenses cost bank and weigh a ton this becomes kinda crapy if you like to do out door stuff like climbing or back packing ...etc .. nikon lenses will work on almost all nikon bodies ..the new canon lenses wont . they changed their mounts (remember the t-series cameras) both cameras can create a file big enough for most reproduction needs ... if your not making prints then you really dont need to worry about file size and raw data .... infact if your doing web stuff its major over kill (hell or even news paper / magazine reproduction its over kill )
i hate the fact that both have a multiplication factor for the lens ... why??? cause i look at something and tell myself use a 50 or a 90 well thats for regular 35mm film not the d stuff like the guy posted earlier it becomes like a 90 and a 120mm which sucks for me ... it also limits the wide angle capabilities ... film speed is another factor the canon can do 100 while the nikon does 200 ..sometimes i perfer almost no grain ...
another gripe i have about the d70 and 20d is that you cannot use the apeture ring on the lens body (or they just dont have one ).. you have to use some dial on the camera (guess im just old fasion hahah fasion ...duh )
i think the canon has better color managment software than nikon ... another thing about the nikon is that they use a sony chip which has a tendency to put a purple fringe line on certain objects ....the nikon has a better on board light meter that the canon (canon has to play catch up in this arena) i cant say too much about the automated features of either camera i mostly use mine on manual with a hand held light meter (all set up and under controlled conditions ) i also cant speak too much about the burst rate etc .. i dont do machine gun photography ..bottom line is i dont really like either camera for what i do .. but will work great for most photographers dont get me wrong it works fine for me too but its no oly grail and i dont think its worth the money they charge for either one .. i bought the d70 the week it got released and paid about 1k for the body (i had a job to do ) ... i would love a h1 and a digital back ... and man have you guys seen the new f6 yup an f6 WOW .. nikon has balls for putting that thing out ...
 
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clutchy said:

It's a great camera. My buddy has had his for a year or so and he doesn't have a camera bag or anything; just throws it in with his books or whatever else. It's held up perfectly as far as i can tell. No problems a few scratches here and there, but the external body is very resilient.

I don't think I am personally this hard on my cameras but good to hear about the durability of the D70...but then again...

bicyclekid said:
imho.... both cameras 20d and d70 are just ok ... both have good features and bad features both cameras are built cheap and feel fragile ..


bicyclekid can you cite a specific example of fragility? Concerns are the pop up flash and latch hinges and such.
I think all modern day cameras feel cheap though compared to the F series of the 60's and 70's which my dad had.
 
so whats fragile huh... ok both cameras have an on board flash which is a weak link ... the d70 s battery comparment sucks .. compared to the 20d the canons have an extra latch that takes the load off the actual door ... (its that little white thing you have to press to get the battey out ...) the diopter control on the d70 is know to sometimes get jamed .. etc.. lets not mention the slot problems on the canons ...(i think this one is more operator eror)
for the money it should feel like a f4 or an f5 or even an eos 1n ...hell an f4 you could throw it down the street pick it up and it would still work ...
 
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