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Not so typical young male on a 600? Your thoughts

Riders come in all shapes, sizes and skill levels. At some point we all run out of talent. You are a serious young rider and you can have a nice long career riding motorcycles but don't let anything fool you into a false sense of security and start thinking you are doing things better than the average guy, trust me, you are not. Take your advantages and work to becoming a better/smarter rider.
 
OP, it seems like you're experiencing a bit of an autoimmune response from other forum members. Lots of folks have been around here for awhile and have seen new riders come in and introduce themselves and explain how they are different than all the other new riders, only to find out later that they weren't as different as they had wished. Lots of folks have also lost count of the RIP threads just this year. Things like that can make us a bit skeptical if not cynical.

Like some others, I commend you for doing the best you can to learn all you can and to approach riding seriously. Also like others, I believe if you think that by doing that you succeed in making a 600 as good a starter bike as any other, you're living in a fool's paradise.
 
The best way to get through the harsh teething stages of sport riding is to find an experienced sport rider to follow and learn from. If you are indeed as level-headed as you seem to believe yourself, you can do it on your own, but it would only take longer and may include consequences that could have been otherwise negated by a mentor.

Just remember that you must first be honest with yourself and know what you want out of riding, before you can wade through the sea of experienced sport riders and find one to latch onto.
 
Hey BARFers, I've had this question for a while but i never knew any riders before i got a motorcycle. It's very common to hear about the typical young male on a sportbike performing unnecessarily dangerous maneuvers on busy public roads, but not too much is heard about the responsible, mature young rider. Is there even such a thing? What is the preferred mindset? It's best explained given my background, but there is a condensed version at the end.

I had never had any interest in motorcycles or cars up until a year ago when i hung out with this guy that was the same age as me (20) who had a sportbike. I, being a curious person, questioned about the bike and the feeling as i never had the chance of riding any sort of motorized vehicle besides a car and a rented ATV at pismo. He mostly talked about the triple digit speeds he frequently rides the bike at and how he wheelies a ton after not even riding bikes for too long. It sounded interesting. He described the feeling as "having a rocket between your legs that can stop, turn, and speed up whenever you wanted".
After he mentioned the agility of the sportbike, I began having an almost uncontrollable desire to purchase one myself.
As i began the slow process of deciding on the bike i wanted, I looked more towards safety and the consequences of riding a motorcycle, much less a sportbike given it's twitchy-ness and capabilities. After buying all the gear i wanted: helmet, jacket, knee/shin guards, gloves, etc and the optional MSF course where i rode a bike for the very first time. After accepting the consequences and feeling very confident in my reflexes and situational awareness, I decided i was ready for the motorcycle.

Now i watched countless videos and read many pages regarding motorcycle control beforehand, and wound up purchasing my current 600cc sportbike.
I let the bike sit in front of my house for 2 months starting it occasionally until i had enough money to buy new tires, brake pads, and full coverage for the bike before i took it off my street. I first started off riding very slow on uncongested roads until i felt a little more comfortable riding in town slowly rarely getting above 7k rpm, let alone the 14k redline. I never rode without full gear either. Fast forward 2 months later, i now have 1750 miles on the bike and have full confidence riding in town and have even ridden up to San Jose for the weekend to ride the busier city streets. I believe i have much to learn and will always have more to learn.

As for my mindset on the motorcycle, I looked at the motorcycle as something that was capable of matching my mind when it came to agility on the streets to avoid accidents (not reducing the damage). Now ever since i literally transformed from a rebellious, immature child, i have never once been called immature in any sense since i turned 21, besides my inability to grow a full beard yet :rofl
I am, however, told many times that i am incredibly mature for my age. I take this as a verification in my decision to buy and operate a 600cc spr0tbile without an urge to speed everywhere and make unwise choices on the road. Every single i have made was not done without safety first in my mind: "should i pass this car to be ahead of traffic, or slow down to allow a larger bubble of space?"
Given the somewhat stereotypical mindset of young sportbike riders, am i thinking the best way possible in order to have a long, injury-free riding career?

Condensed version:
I am a brand new rider and I believe i have a higher maturity level than the typical young sportbike rider. I accept the consequences and always think safety first when going for a ride. Is my view on riding motorcycles the best in order to ensure a long-lived riding career? I don't see myself ever retiring from a motorcycle.

You sound like you'll be just fine.:thumbup

I believe there are two types of riders, those that have been down and those that have not been down yet.
 
You're unique and different!
(Just like everyone else)

The problem comes in not knowing what you don't know. Maturity - point in your favor. Lack of experience - minus one million points. There's a reason that 50% of motorcycle accidents happen in the first 5 months. Its a steep learning curve. There's lots of supersport bikes on CL for sale - many of them were mature owners. But the good news is that you get to accept the consequences of your choices. Here's wishing you the best of luck with your choice.
 
I think the OP is taking riding seriously, he's also trying to respect the bike he bought, even if his original inspiration was via someone who sounds like a future RIP thread with daily triple digit speeds and frequent wheelies.

A 600cc sportbike was not the best choice for a first bike, but there are worse choices out there.

When my son decided to start riding at 17 yrs old, he did his own research, and narrowed the choices to either a Ninja 250 or a Ninja 500. He took the msf class, and on the following monday got his license endorsement, then on tuesday, he was at the Kawasaki dealer trying out the two bikes he wanted to look at. Chose the 500 because the 250 felt a bit cramped.

He's almost 26 now, and still owns the 500 (the damn thing's seen an honest 125 mph at Portland International Raceway after a front sprocket change, pipes and a jet kit, how much faster do you need to go?), plus he bought a Honda NX650 so he could ride on the forest service roads with dad.
Not interested in speed for speed's sake, he just likes riding in lots of different situations.
 
I used to believe that too, before I knew any better.


Dude !

Sometimes you just gotta lay it down !



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Two different approaches;

1) I'm doing great, good thing I've got this under control

2) So far, so good... I wonder what important information I'm missing though


I'd prefer # 2, for a longer riding career. Thus my remark about the student/teacher
 
When you eventually grow up, you'll realize all 21 year olds think like that. You aren't special.
 
I used to believe that too, before I knew any better.

That myth about "two kinds of riders" has been around for probably 100 years now.

There's a kernel of truth in it because most riders do crash eventually, but I have 4 or 5 friends who ride a lot, have 30+ years of experience, and never crashed. They're just very careful riders, rarely exceed the speed limit, and pay attention whenever they're riding.

If we were all as careful and mature as these guys were when they started riding, we'd probably all be among the "never crashed" group.
 
I honestly think the juggling the chainsaws example is exactly right and I intend to use it today when I have this exact discussion with a friends brother. He wants a bike and has never ridden before and his first bike of choice is an R1 :( I'm going to try to talk some sense into him using this example.
 
There's a kernel of truth in it because most riders do crash eventually, but I have 4 or 5 friends who ride a lot, have 30+ years of experience, and never crashed. They're just very careful riders, rarely exceed the speed limit, and pay attention whenever they're riding.

The same guys you speak of, I guarantee you will continue to be very careful riders, rarely exceeding the speed limit, and paying attention whenever they're riding even IF they do crash. :thumbup

Not having crashed or having already crashed should not define you as a rider.

Now the frequency at which you crash, should. :teeth
 
IMHO...the single best thing you can do to stay alive and healthy on a motorbike is to CHECK YOUR EGO AT THE DOOR.

EVERY TIME you ride.

There will always be someone faster/more skilled and always someone slower/less skilled. Never ride above your skill set/comfort level/road conditions. If you find yourself trying to catch up to someone...you're asking for trouble.

Always ride your own ride. Always. And ride with others who think similarly. As important as training, practice and skills are, I think ego and mindset are more important contributors to accidents.

(Just my :2cents...after 30 uniterrupted years of riding...urban, communting, twisties, touring and only 1 at fault incident in 1989 {knock on wood!})
 
They're right, there are skills to be developed. Such as watch out for muni tracks, scan for pothole, have further scan range, able to spot read drivers next move, where to position your bike in lane to avoid accident and etc. I've had my ass chewed here once after I post my video here. It wasn't my fault, a Prius cut into my lane on freeway. In court, I would have win but in motorcycle lingo, it was the rider fault, which was myself for weren't able to foresee the driver will lane change and stayed in blindspot for too long. Prius did use turn signal but only at last minute.. There are little bit more but not important to mention at the moment.
 
you are essentially learning
1) to make the bike do what you want it to
2) what it is you should want the bike to do

those can only be learned through acclimation, which is a path, not a "level" in your brain. your maturity will help keep your eyes open while walking that path, but you're still walking a dangerous path, good luck to you.

you'll be better at walking the path if you lighten up on the maturity thing--i'm sure a lot of what you say is the truth, but lightening up will allow you to more calmly perceive what's around you, and then react to it better, rather than be preoccupied with "am I good enough?" i think refining a practice plan is a great thing, and self-reflection is great, yeah...but balance it out, and IMO a good balance is a LOT more of the "doing, enjoying, being" than "mental critique" :thumbup
 
There are times that it may feel as if we have had too many newbie questions or posts. If it feels like one of those days, take a break and let others do the heavy lifting ;)

I was being snide and using it as a place holder to remind me to come back in the morning

on the other hand...

OP, simply read this: Another Newbie Thread

I agree with you completely. With the right mindset comes skillset. Enjoy your new found fun experiences

The same guys you speak of, I guarantee you will continue to be very careful riders, rarely exceeding the speed limit, and paying attention whenever they're riding even IF they do crash. :thumbup

Not having crashed or having already crashed should not define you as a rider.

Now the frequency at which you crash, should. :teeth

yes, I know a few that have never crashed. They have all done trackdays and have ridden within their limit. They set their own personal rules and stick to them (one rider refuses to take his hands off the controls, even to wave at another rider which makes sense, not having control of the controls is not being in full control at all times.)
 
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there are three things that can hurt a rider, other vehicles, the road and the rider him/herself. Even if you've eliminated the the rider has a possible problem you still have the other two factors that you can't control but only prepare for.
 
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