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Pregnant 16 year old accidentally shot by police when her thug boyfriend tried to flee

And we had a few good people that spoke up against crap like this

But we didn't support them and told them they were wrong

:meh
 
Not sure if I'm addressed there at all, I don't think my comments are disparaging to the poor girl.
 
It is a tragedy.

I feel for her parents.

She made some bad choices probably due to being immature. For most of us, that means traffic tickets or crumpled cars but her bad choice was very expensive.
 
elbacalao said:
It's a tragedy, but I wouldnt call her a victim. She clearly made a mistake hanging out with criminals and she paid for it. They didnt abduct her, she willingly dated the guy.
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So, association with criminals = justification for murder.

Got it.
 
Abacinator said:
:rolleyes
I'm the parent on a 10 year old. And I assure you I'm sufficiently involved in her life and keep her engaged in productive activities. Any death is tragic, but if that girl's parents had taken the time to find out more than the guys name, this might have been avoided.

My daughter is lucky she has 2 parents that, despite being separated, take an active interest in her education and daily life. Not saying that it'll prevent anything bad from happening, but it'll absolutely reduce the odds.
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Same here. I have an 11-year-old girl and a 6-year-old girl. I feel the same way. BUT, things will change a lot with our 10/11 year olds in the next 5 years. We can only hope or influences carry through so they makes reasonably good decisions in their teens.

I think a good foundation, along with continued involvement will do it. But you never really know. I was never involved in the criminal lifestyle, but if I think back to the potential worst outcomes of some of the stupid decisions I made as a teen, bad shit could have happened.

If a 16 year old is dating a criminal and riding in a stolen car, most likely therected were parenting fails from a very early age.
 
Abacinator said:
:rolleyes
I'm the parent on a 10 year old. And I assure you I'm sufficiently involved in her life and keep her engaged in productive activities. Any death is tragic, but if that girl's parents had taken the time to find out more than the guys name, this might have been avoided.

My daughter is lucky she has 2 parents that, despite being separated, take an active interest in her education and daily life. Not saying that it'll prevent anything bad from happening, but it'll absolutely reduce the odds.
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Good to hear that you're involved in your child's life. I have three (23, 13, 11) and I can tell you that the best years in terms of them listening to their parents are 6-10, after that it starts changing and you hope that what you did before they became teenagers is enough to keep them from associating with the wrong people.

I have been fortunate so far, but I spent literally thousands of hours talking to them about quite a few things. Sometimes they told me that I talked too much, but often I was gratified to hear much of what I had talked to them about coming out through their dialog with others.

Good luck with your little one! :thumbup
 
bojangle said:
Same here. I have an 11-year-old girl and a 6-year-old girl. I feel the same way. BUT, things will change a lot with our 10/11 year olds in the next 5 years. We can only hope or influences carry through so they makes reasonably good decisions in their teens.

I think a good foundation, along with continued involvement will do it. But you never really know. I was never involved in the criminal lifestyle, but if I think back to the potential worst outcomes of some of the stupid decisions I made as a teen, bad shit could have happened.

If a 16 year old is dating a criminal and riding in a stolen car, most likely therected were parenting fails from a very early age.
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It's a crap shoot: I know of some really shitty parents and their kids turned out fantastic; I know some great parents, I mean truly great people, and their kids are the worst of the worst. You literally never know.
 
Climber said:
Good to hear that you're involved in your child's life. I have three (23, 13, 11) and I can tell you that the best years in terms of them listening to their parents are 6-10, after that it starts changing and you hope that what you did before they became teenagers is enough to keep them from associating with the wrong people.

I have been fortunate so far, but I spent literally thousands of hours talking to them about quite a few things. Sometimes they told me that I talked too much, but often I was gratified to hear much of what I had talked to them about coming out through their dialog with others.

Good luck with your little one! :thumbup
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I'm not really a talker but I've always repeated the things I think are important for her to understand as she grows. She's super conscientious and very thoughtful and I like to think her mom and I had a big role in that regard.

I'm glad you have awesome kids too! Parenting isn't easy, but damn it's the most awesome thing ever.
 
HeatXfer said:
It's a crap shoot: I know of some really shitty parents and their kids turned out fantastic; I know some great parents, I mean truly great people, and their kids are the worst of the worst. You literally never know.
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^^^That. You do the best you can and you're basically hoping they make wise decisions without actually having much in the way of wisdom. The transition to adulthood years are tough. They're making adult decisions without the adult experience and drawing on the words of others for experience doesn't carry much weight. Sometimes they get it wrong and sometimes they're too stubborn to self-correct. It takes knowledge way beyond the average parent to get those ones back on track.
 
Parents always take too much credit, and too much blame, for their children's success and failures

Children are not automoton robots
 
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Yakoo752 said:
And we had a few good people that spoke up against crap like this

But we didn't support them and told them they were wrong

:meh
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I am not certain who/what you are referring to and as usual, I am interested in your perspective.
 
kevin 714 said:
You know barf has hit a new low when there's s thread who's sole purpose is to laugh at the death of a Child
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My900ss said:
Not sure I understand the disrespect shown towards the young lady in this news article by some of the posters in this thread? Unless it is later shown she was party to stealing the car, it would seem she was a victim of the drivers poor choices. If that proves true, what does she deserve other than sympathy for her life and that of the unborn child?
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Agreed
:(

JesasaurusRex said:
ya, at the end of the day people make their own decisions. Lead a horse to water blah blah.
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I think especially in the adolescent age of 12-18 people need help with their own decisions

It has been proven true and true many times
 
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Melissa said:
I am not certain who/what you are referring to and as usual, I am interested in your perspective.
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We had members like EJ Glows and others who vocally opposed "insults" of this nature. Some have left and others remain but aren't vocal any longer, because they are still active members I don't want to mention names. I believe it was an attempt to create a community but the organization didn't support their efforts, in fact they might have accidentally done the opposite. Empowered those that breed hate by not more strongly supporting.




There is no reason to disparage this girl and yet here's barf to the rescue :laughing

Sad but I expected nothing less out of the likes of some of these posters...
 
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It's a tragedy. And with 9 kids, keeping an eye on all of them has got to be a never ending task that you're going to fall short in... hell, there were just 3 of us, and I was responsible for the 2 younger ones. But my parents had a LOT of rules... I had way too many chores I was responsible for on a daily basis to be out running around on a school day, and any friends I was going to spend time with, they had to meet in person. It was such a drag when I was in school... but I'm so very grateful now, because I got into NO trouble until I was 19 (at which point I made up for lost time... but at least I had a little more experience than I did at 16). Maybe some of those rules would have made a difference for Ebbie... but she sounds like a genuinely sweet girl, who loved her family, and had far too much life and possibilities ahead of her to end up shot to death because she was in the passenger seat of the wrong car.


SpeedyCorky said:
oh sweet; she was preggers and she died - one less useless human for this worlds future


too soon? :rolleyes
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:wtf You know what? That's a new low for you. What a shitty, disgusting thing to say. It is NOT funny, and all it does is make you sound like you sold your soul to the devil.
If I ever meet your mother, she and I are going to have a short, one-way conversation about her parenting fail.
 
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