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Rain racing?

Yes, all the races were run and it rained all day. Tyler was given a pro license and will post up his race report. Tyler ran in Formula 1, the equivalent to Formula Pacific. The tech director told Tyler to take it easy with all the big 1000's out there and since it was his first race on the 600 at Big Willow, to be ok with just riding around in back and having fun. He came out of turn 1 in 4th or 5th and finished the first lap in 3rd place. Some amazing passes which he will describe and he was the top finishing 600.

He won the Formula 2 race.

There weren't very many crashes and I didn't ever hear that the ambulance rolled.

I also saved money since the rains we ran for both races and practices still looked almost new at the end of the day, so I can run them again at the next rain race.
 
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Yes, all the races were run and it rained all day. Tyler was given a pro license and will post up his race report. Tyler ran in Formula 1, the equivalent to Formula Pacific. The tech director told Tyler to take it easy with all the big 1000's out there and since it was his first race on the 600 at Big Willow, to be ok with just riding around in back and having fun. He came out of turn 1 in 4th or 5th and finished the first lap in 3rd place. Some amazing passes which he will describe and he was the top finishing 600.

He won the Formula 2 race.

There weren't very many crashes and I didn't ever here that the ambulance rolled.

I also saved money since the rains we ran for both races and practices still looked almost new at the end of the day, so I can run them again at the next rain race.

very cool to hear. :thumbup
 
The Brian Bartlow gang made it down and threw down at WSMC. The team was definitely a little heavier on the road trip home having bagged some glittery stuff while visiting. First rain race since 1989 at Loudon...it was fun! :teeth
 
The Brian Bartlow gang made it down and threw down at WSMC. The team was definitely a little heavier on the road trip home having bagged some glittery stuff while visiting. First rain race since 1989 at Loudon...it was fun! :teeth

very cool, 22 years since you last raced in the rain? and still intact? ;)
j/k very cool. goes to show, that crashing isn't the first thing that happens when you race in the rain. Glad you guys had fun down there.
 
The Brian Bartlow gang made it down and threw down at WSMC.
Hey Eric, what tires did you guys run on the Ninja 250's in the rain at WSMC?

Full "race rains"? (do they offer one?)

Race-compound DOT's?

DOT street tires?

Just curious what tires are available, and used for rain racing on the stock wheels on the new-gen Ninja 250's.
 
very cool, 22 years since you last raced in the rain? and still intact? ;)
j/k very cool. goes to show, that crashing isn't the first thing that happens when you race in the rain. Glad you guys had fun down there.

Well without ruining my race report, let's just say that Feel Like a Pro and associates were able to grab 6 wins, 7 2nds and 6 3rds, for a days worth of rain racing :)

Hey Eric, what tires did you guys run on the Ninja 250's in the rain at WSMC?

Full "race rains"? (do they offer one?)

Race-compound DOT's?

DOT street tires?

Just curious what tires are available, and used for rain racing on the stock wheels on the new-gen Ninja 250's.

Hi Gary, Initially I went out on the Pirelli DOT's which weren't bad at all. But then it started coming down pretty good so I switched to a set of available full rains which were Dunlops sized for a 125 bike. Don't really know model or sizes off the top of my head.

It was a lot of fun and the emphasis was on being smooth, which in turn, equated to being fast. But that's another story. ;)
 
I switched to a set of available full rains which were Dunlops sized for a 125 bike. Don't really know model or sizes off the top of my head.
Glad things went so well for you Eric, and the rest of the 250 gang. Congrats! :thumbup

If you get a chance to look at the sizing info on the rain tires that you mounted up on the bike, and could post back, I'd be very interested in knowing what sizing they make that ended up fitting both the front and rear wheels on the Ninja 250.

Thanks!
 
Ok so.....I am posting this video just to show how much fun I had in the rain. However, this does not reflect how much work is involved by the track and it's workers to ensure that the racing remains a good show, is safe, and probably most important, stays on schedule. Learned a lot from observing what WSMC does to keep the program on track.

None the less, here is my little trailer video for the upcoming race reports :teeth


 
That is pretty ghey video for somebody who claims he raced real race bikes :laughing

Yes, it was pretty gray out with the heavy rain and all...:nerd Oh, ghey ! :toothless
I get it !
 
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That is pretty ghey video for somebody who claims he raced real race bikes :laughing

Why thanks for noticing, but it's not ghey, I believe it's listed as a "classic" :kiss

:laughing
 
I liked the video too, does that make me ghey? NTTAWWT :)

Michelin Man,
Why are you absent from this thread? We actually had racing where people showed up, tire vendors changed tires and racers, raced. I'm sure the guys that drove all the way from Oregon, Washington, and N. Cal, sure did appreciate their average cost per race lap dropping, instead of increasing with a rain out.

This was the first time my son has raced in the rain, in California, although he had a couple of other chances earlier this year.:laughing I know you said we only have a 1% chance of rain outs, based on your sample of 20 years data. I thought you might find it interesting that the Willow Springs announcer said this is the first year he can remember ever having two rain races in one season. WSMC isn't getting rich either, but at least they did pull in revenue on both those rounds. Time for AFM to try it at Buttonwillow, unless you have already spoken with your rain dancers and know we won't have rain in 2012-2032.:shocker
 
I wouldn't push the "Michelin Man" very much. There is a reason he has hunting dogs.

:sniper


:laughing

Luckies, wish I got to race in the rain again. :(
 
Michelin Man,
Why are you absent from this thread? We actually had racing where people showed up, tire vendors changed tires and racers, raced. I'm sure the guys that drove all the way from Oregon, Washington, and N. Cal, sure did appreciate their average cost per race lap dropping, instead of increasing with a rain out.

Good morning, sunshine! :teeth I don't spend all my free time on Barf and as ZIM suggested, I just got back from giving my dogs a bit of a 'workout'...

You just don't get it! How many people were racing at WSMC in the rain?? 200?? 300??? 400??? I doubt it. I will bet money that a significant percentage of the "fair weather" racers just said "fuggit" and didn't show up at all, which is exactly what would happen in the AFM since we're so spoiled with good weather. You keep preaching about 'all these racers who won't come to an AFM race because the club will cancel the races if it rains'... but there are exponentially more fair weather racers (especially those who aren't in a points race and just show up for fun) who have no desire to get soaking wet. The same thing happens for trackdays, some guys decide to ride (many only due to the fact that they will be charged anyway) and a whole bunch just say "screw it" and don't drive to the track at all or maybe drive there to hang out in the pits and drink beer with their buddies.

While the logistics may not have played a huge part in a tiny club like WSMC, when the AFM holds races even today we get 200+ riders and in the past we've seen 400+ riders. A new rain policy would have to be in place whether we get 200 riders or 400+ riders, it's not something that can be in constant flux as the economy fluctuates. Did you watch the Daytona 200 race where they stopped the race and forced everybody to change front tires?? Wasn't the delay close to 2 hours?? And according to the AMA Pro results posted, weren't there only 39 riders?? The Dunlop techs are top notch and they have several machines (didn't go to any AMA races this year but I usually saw at least 4-5 machines) but if they get mobbed by 40 riders wanting a tire change, it's not going to take 40 minutes because it's physically impossible!

I find it sort of comical that you're trying to label me as the "anti rain racing" guy because frankly it would be more profitable for me as a business if the policy changed and a whole bunch of people bought rain tires in N. California. For AFM racers they would be about as useful as owning snow tires in San Diego but it's not like I'm going to turn them down if they want to give me money for them. However, as a long time AFM member, I look at it as a cost/benefit equation and I just don't think it's a good value for AFM racers to invest a bunch of money in a rain setup. btw, I previously forgot to mention that with rain tires you're also supposed to use multi-temp or adjustable temp tire warmers, so quite a few people would also have to replace their single temp tire warmers too.

While all the 'rain-happy-racers' have chimed in, something else to consider is that next time you get to run your rain race in June at Thunderhill (yeah, fat chance! :rolleyes) and it counts for points, the AFM might make some money at that event from the racers who decide they still want to race in the rain... however, all the other racers who didn't race for various reasons (no rain equipment, no rain riding skills/practice, no interest in being cold and wet) are going to be out of the points race for the rest of the season. How many will still come to the rest of the AFM races for the year and how many will just say 'fuggit' and take their 'fun money' to spend in Mexico or Hawaii instead of racing in the AFM?? So while maybe the club salvaged some money out of an even that would've otherwise been cancelled due to rain, how much money will the club LOSE at the rest of the events because racers lost interest once they were out of the points chase. What happens if that rain race is the first one of the season, how many riders will the club lose for the entire season???

Some of you guys just can't think beyond what YOU want and completely disregard what's good for the club overall. Like I said, if it was just about me, me, me... I would be all over changing the rain policy and selling a bunch of snow tires... ehhh, I mean 'rain tires' to a bunch of racers who will likely never use them.
 
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For AFM racers they would be about as useful as owning snow tires in San Diego but it's not like I'm going to turn them down if they want to give me money for them. However, as a long time AFM member, I look at it as a cost/benefit equation and I just don't think it's a good value for AFM racers to invest a bunch of money in a rain setup.

I spent under $300 on a set of rain tires two months ago, and just won four races and a championship with them. I'm sure they have many, many more races left in them. Seems like a modest investment to me, even if the AFM never lets me use them. I have to take my money elsewhere because the AFM doesn't give me enough opportunities to spend it with the club.

You always seem to be making the argument that if a subset of the club is satisfied, then there's harm to the "club overall." Assuming a wet race can actually be safely operated (communications, bike retrieval, etc.), how is letting people race in the rain harmful to the club?
 
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