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Rossi: "MotoGP is boring..."

EastBayDave said:
I mean, this whole thread is about making a better "show" for the fans, equaling (or nearing) weight total (bike & rider) wouldn't help that?
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back on topic thanks to u :thumbup

who/what would u normalize the weight rule to? pick the heaviest rider and put that at max weight? thatd be a serious detriment to Pedrosa because he'd have to strap on 40lbs of ballast. given that HRC complained about 4kg, their bike would be totally fucked up w/ 40lbs of lead. advantage to the heaviest riders. if u normalized to someone in the middle, say Nicky or something, then the heavier riders would be SOL while everyone else was equal. the teams would then spend a shitload on fancy light bits for the heaviest riders, always trying to meet that minimum weight. and the teams w/ light riders would be fighting ballast the whole time. i guess in that case the advantage would go to the rider that was spot on. clusterfuck, no?

because of all that, IMO the show would not benefit from a combined weight rule (in GP). riders know when their bike is heavier, but i doubt they feel a performance increase if they cut 3lbs. Pedrosa would def go slower if he was given a weight penalty. we've seen it in WSBK in Checa's complaints about that 1200cc weight penalty. Jorge might get a little slower too, but (if u normalized to someone in the middle) no one else would get any faster. the field would prob still be spread out into the standard groups that we see now, winner, 2nd, then 3-5th or whatever.

hey ive got an idea... just give the heavier guys more fuel. 1L per 5kg over 65kg. errr, naw that wouldnt work. their bikes would be heavier still in the beginning of the race so theyd be slower then, but faster in the end when the other guys would lean out. hmm, fuck it nm.
 
Here's how Indycar does it; Nascar does it too...:

New rule on car weight bothers Danica Patrick
March 30, 2008|By Alan Tays, Palm Beach Post

HOMESTEAD, Fla. — The IndyCar Series' biggest driver doesn't see eye to eye with its smallest one.

The series' new rule that attempts to equalize the weights of cars, including the driver, is "the first step in making things fair," Justin Wilson said Thursday at Homestead-Miami Speedway, where the 2008 IndyCar Series begins with the Gainsco 300 on Saturday night.

Danica Patrick, asked Monday by USA Today about the rule, said "if someone's going to take the hit, it's going to be me. It's disappointing the league decided to do that."

Wilson is 6 feet 3 inches, 193 pounds. Patrick is 5-2, 100.

IndyCar officials haven't announced specifics of the rule. Spokesman John Griffin said it's likely to establish several weight categories, with the heaviest drivers able to subtract weight from their cars and the lightest having to add as much as 35 pounds.

Patrick, Sarah Fisher (5-3, 120) and Milka Duno (5-4, 120) are the lightest drivers listed in the IndyCar Series media guide. The lightest male driver is Alex Lloyd (5-7, 125). Lighter cars can be quicker and use less fuel.

"In every form of motorsport I've come across, especially Formula One, the weight is so critical (to a car's performance)," said Wilson, one of several former Champ Car World Series drivers making their IndyCar Series debut. "Usually on a road course, 10 pounds equals one-tenth of a second, so if you're 100 pounds heavier than somebody it's a second a lap you're giving away.

"Champ Car always had a great rule," said Graham Rahal, 6-2, 175, and another former Champ Car driver. "The heaviest driver, everybody's got to equal his weight."

Patrick thinks the IndyCar Series should takes its cue regarding weight from other sports.

"There's no weight limit in football," she said Thursday. "There's no height limit in basketball."And what about the strength aspect? What are they doing to fix that? As a smaller driver, I have to work harder in that area."

NASCAR's Sprint Cup Series takes a driver's weight into consideration. The minimum weight for its stock cars, 3,450 pounds, is based on a 200-pound driver. If a driver weighs less than 200, weight is added in 2-pound increments up to a maximum of 50 pounds.

In 2005, driver Robby Gordon said Patrick's light weight was an advantage in the Indy 500 and said he would not race against her at Indy unless a weight-equalization rule was put into use.
 
Tye above ^^^ addresses it; the two biggest motorsports in the USA do it, as well as Formula 1. They all attempt to equalize to the heaviest driver (rider.)

I don't care if HON don't like it; fair is fair. Everyone should have to add weight to come up to equal to the heaviest rider. That's 40lbs. for Pedrosa, then his weight advantage would not be there.

Other motorsports do it, why not MotoGP?
 
EastBayDave said:
I don't care if HON don't like it; fair is fair. Everyone should have to add weight to come up to equal to the heaviest rider. That's 40lbs. for Pedrosa, then his weight advantage would not be there.

Other motorsports do it, why not MotoGP?
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because motos dont have 4 wheels and the rider isnt inside a cockpit of sorts. u already knew i was going to say this.
 
EastBayDave said:
Tye above ^^^ addresses it; the two biggest motorsports in the USA do it, as well as Formula 1. They all attempt to equalize to the heaviest driver (rider.)

I don't care if HON don't like it; fair is fair. Everyone should have to add weight to come up to equal to the heaviest rider. That's 40lbs. for Pedrosa, then his weight advantage would not be there.

Other motorsports do it, why not MotoGP?
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But there is a very serious difference in the way weight affects cars than bikes. Two cars identical cars, one with a heavier driver that comes in at exactly the combined weight minimum and one with a smaller driver that comes in below it and is ballasted to the minimum will behave more or less the same while two bikes given the same set of conditions will be radically different. because you have to account for how the weight affects lean, braking and acceleration. Dynamic weight is hugely preferable to static ballast. In a car there is no dynamic weight.


Edit: TL;DR - see stang's post above.
 
think this will help the show? maybe not in GP specifically, but any moto show that adopts this?

Viñales' reasons for walking away at least appeared to have triggered some action, with Dorna CEO Carmelo Ezpeleta telling the Spanish sports daily Marca that he was looking at imposing a minimum salary in MotoGP. Any team that could not guarantee to pay its rider less than 300,000 euros a season would not be admitted onto the grid, Ezpeleta said, in an effort to address one of the biggest issues in recent years. Some riders in MotoGP earn less than mechanics, the average wage for a mechanic being between 40,000 and 70,000 euros in MotoGP, according to Marca. That situation was simply not acceptable, Ezpeleta said, and promised to address it.
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http://www.motomatters.com/analysis/2012/10/26/2012_phillip_island_motogp_friday_round_.html
 
there really should be some sort of riders union., both rossi and dani have already publicly stated so
 
stangmx13 said:
think this will help the show? maybe not in GP specifically, but any moto show that adopts this?


http://www.motomatters.com/analysis/2012/10/26/2012_phillip_island_motogp_friday_round_.html
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kevin 714 said:
there really should be some sort of riders union., both rossi and dani have already publicly stated so
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This is exactly what i have been sayng the last couple years. Every sports org has a players union and they say what min salery is. They neg what % of sales and tv rights go to the athletes. I think this is somthing that needs to happen with all raceing around the world.

100k MOTO3
250k MOTO2
500k motogp

Just an example
 
sidewazzz said:
This is exactly what i have been sayng the last couple years. Every sports org has a players union and they say what min salery is. They neg what % of sales and tv rights go to the athletes. I think this is somthing that needs to happen with all raceing around the world.
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in GP at least, we know that none of the $ from TV rights and such go to the riders... and thats how this form of motorsports differs so dramatically from everything else that we watch on TV. Dorna spends all that $ keeping the sport going. im cool w/ them subsidizing the teams expenses, but such a large chunk goes straight to the factories :|
 
stangmx13 said:
in GP at least, we know that none of the $ from TV rights and such go to the riders... and thats how this form of motorsports differs so dramatically from everything else that we watch on TV. Dorna spends all that $ keeping the sport going. im cool w/ them subsidizing the teams expenses, but such a large chunk goes straight to the factories :|
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All organizations fork out money for the good of the sport. I just think racing in general has never been seen as a business like other sports.
 
I still find it crazy that we have a control tire to level the field but yet the bikes made by the same manufactor are way different.
 
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