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SF vs McDonalds

Shut it down, let it succumb to blight and let the graffiti artists paint it up. In a couple years someone will create an economic development zone there and bring in condos for the techies. No more druggies and more gentrification :thumbup
 
fawndog said:
So you think, allowing them to loiter is a contributing problem. If they did everything across the street in the park (which is what would happen if a guard shooed them away), then it would be the cities problem.
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When someone's loitering and they won't leave, who do you call? Not the McDonalds PD
 
The fact that the City Attorney is pushing this, makes me think McDonalds isn't calling anyone and are allowing it by being passive enablers.
 
fawndog said:
The fact that the City Attorney is pushing this, makes me think McDonalds isn't calling anyone and are allowing it by being passive enablers.
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If that is the case, I could see the city's beef with them. The only expectation I could see for a business is to report crime when they see it.

Putting up cameras, signs, hiring security guards, and doing other stuff not required by law or local ordinance should be at the discretion of the business. If somebody keeps breaking into cars in the alley next to your house, the city should not require you to do something about it. Maybe they should actually go after the criminals rather than the victim.
 
teg916 said:
If that is the case, I could see the city's beef with them. The only expectation I could see for a business is to report crime when they see it.

Putting up cameras, signs, hiring security guards, and doing other stuff not required by law or local ordinance should be at the discretion of the business. If somebody keeps breaking into cars in the alley next to your house, the city should not require you to do something about it. Maybe they should actually go after the criminals rather than the victim.
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Doode have you walked that stretch? The entire Haight St is populated by gutter punks and their pitbulls.

Short of napalming the area, gutting Mickey D's isn't gonna do jack.
 
I imagine that if McD's decided to disallow any questionable characters they'd be getting in trouble for not allowing the poor and homeless in... but they let them in and this shit happens.
 
fawndog said:
The fact that the City Attorney is pushing this, makes me think McDonalds isn't calling anyone and are allowing it by being passive enablers.
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I don't recall reading nor hearing that it is the diligent McD employee doing to calls :dunno Could've been any victim or bystander..

poor tourists..
 
That McD shit stain location and the 'colorful' low life characters that hang out there has been going on for so long that it's protected under historical landmark statutes.
 
"The drugs confiscated by police at the property include LSD, psychedelic mushrooms, hashish and marijuana."

hmmmmmmmmm good to know...........
 
Entoptic said:
Guys I just want to remind you that the PD is right across the street. All it takes is one cop getting off his or her butt and walking across the street for a shake down, or just a chocolate shake.
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There closest police station is a couple blocks away inside the park, and not within line of sight.

fawndog said:
The fact that the City Attorney is pushing this, makes me think McDonalds isn't calling anyone and are allowing it by being passive enablers.
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My read as well

Most of the people in this thread seem predisposed to bashing on SF. If not they'd realize that property owners have always had a degree of responsibility for what happens ON THEIR PROPERTY.

This is a common problem, and there are lots of different ways to help deal with it. Cameras and signs to let people know their activities are being monitored. Reporting crimes when they happen so people don't think it's a safe place to do their business. Even creative things like not providing flat surfaces to sit on (take a look at google street view of the back of the building)

Sure, people will likely go somewhere else, but part of the trouble is having places where it's easy for groups of people to loiter. Stupidity grown in numbers
 
Junkie said:
I imagine that if McD's decided to disallow any questionable characters they'd be getting in trouble for not allowing the poor and homeless in... but they let them in and this shit happens.
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The Fast Food shops on Mid-Market have to deal with an equal if not greater degree of nonsense from the bridge trolls and gutter rats that skulk about the area, but they all have big old posted security cameras and 24/7 Security Guards inside the building.
 
fawndog said:
The fact that the City Attorney is pushing this, makes me think McDonalds isn't calling anyone and are allowing it by being passive enablers.
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This isn't a new problem. I shot some video of SFPD ejecting a bum from the Haight McDonald's 5 years ago [link earlier in this thread]. He walked in, went in to the closed off part of the restaurant and passed out. SFPD had to drag/carry him out. How exactly is that McDonald's fault? These guys aren't passive individuals. They're very aggressive or very difficult people.
 
Looking at the Google street map, i wonder if a couple dozen 6k ultrabright LED lights would get some of these peeps to scatter. By the looks of it, there isn't very much exterior lighting.
 
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every 5 minutes; a bell rings and sprinklers go on in the parking lot for 2 minutes. catch the water and recycle it back to the sprinklers. ;)
 
planegray said:
every 5 minutes; a bell rings and sprinklers go on in the parking lot for 2 minutes. catch the water and recycle it back to the sprinklers. ;)
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The 'gravy rain' of airborne unfiltered parking lot runoff doe...
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mlm said:
There closest police station is a couple blocks away inside the park, and not within line of sight.



My read as well

Most of the people in this thread seem predisposed to bashing on SF. If not they'd realize that property owners have always had a degree of responsibility for what happens ON THEIR PROPERTY.

This is a common problem, and there are lots of different ways to help deal with it. Cameras and signs to let people know their activities are being monitored. Reporting crimes when they happen so people don't think it's a safe place to do their business. Even creative things like not providing flat surfaces to sit on (take a look at google street view of the back of the building)

Sure, people will likely go somewhere else, but part of the trouble is having places where it's easy for groups of people to loiter. Stupidity grown in numbers
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This will be what it looks like if it closes down
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Karbon said:
Looking at the Google street map, i wonder if a couple dozen 6k ultrabright LED lights would get some of these peeps to scatter. From buy the looks of it there isn't very much exterior lighting.
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The problem isnt just at night... its during the day as well.. so lights might not be the best solution
 
It's totally the city's fault the bums don't have a warm shelter.

I'm voting for the City to provide warm shelter to bums right across the street so that they leave McDonalds alone!!!

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:laughing
 
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