Shadow banning

[Junkie]

Would you educate the rest of us on it then? What do you think about the social impacts of it? Wouldn't it be easier to just ban people from the platform?

You're correct that most of the articles are from the hyper-right which is weird. I'd think this would be an across the board issue. What are your thoughts?

A lot more of tech is run by the left than the right, and it isn't a surprise that it's used against viewpoints disliked by the company running the show. I don't know if it's true, though.

I can't think of any mainstream social media that's run by the right

 

[jt2]

Sounds like the same kind of thinking behind girl-bots who respond to posters on dating sites.

BTW, it's 'bots', not 'bits'.

I'm sure there are a lot of bots, but there was a fascinating Reddit AMA thread by a dude who's job was to respond to the suckers that clicked on those "chat with local singles now" banner ads. His job was to string dudes along (users paid by the message), but never reveal anything or ever agree to meet anyone. Pretty sad.

Edit: Found it! Original post is gone, but the replies are still there.

 

[Abacinator]

I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here, or what's so funny.

 

[mean dad]

For those not in the know:
Shadow banning (also called stealth banning, ghost banning or comment ghosting) is the act of blocking a user or their content from an online community such that the user does not realize that they have been banned.

 

[Climber]

I'm sure there are a lot of bots, but there was a fascinating Reddit AMA thread by a dude who's job was to respond to the suckers that clicked on those "chat with local singles now" banner ads. His job was to string dudes along (users paid by the message), but never reveal anything or ever agree to meet anyone. Pretty sad.

Edit: Found it! Original post is gone, but the replies are still there.

Not surprising!

I've heard many stories of women doing the same thing for a company using pictures that don't at all look like or represent what they really look like. Same with the call lines, the women never, never looked like the pictures with the adds.

 

[Climber]

A lot more of tech is run by the left than the right, and it isn't a surprise that it's used against viewpoints disliked by the company running the show. I don't know if it's true, though.

I can't think of any mainstream social media that's run by the right

If it was, they'd just delete Left leaning posts that they didn't like.

This idiot dialog of the 'Intolerant Left' is just propaganda hatched out of a conservative think tank along with all of the others, which has been repeated enough times that it becomes 'true' in the minds of many on the Right.

 

[Smash Allen]

This idiot dialog of the 'Intolerant Left' is just propaganda hatched out of a conservative think tank along with all of the others, which has been repeated enough times that it becomes 'true' in the minds of many on the Right.

I'm curious to see what becomes of James Damore's class action suit against Google

 

[Mike95060]

For those not in the know:
Shadow banning (also called stealth banning, ghost banning or comment ghosting) is the act of blocking a user or their content from an online community such that the user does not realize that they have been banned.

So it works by having the offending poster continue to post and only bots reply to them? The hope is they never get hip to the fact that only computers are listening to them?

 

[Climber]

So it works by having the offending poster continue to post and only bots reply to them? The hope is they never get hip to the fact that only computers are listening to them?

Kind of trolling the troll, but who decides who is a troll and who isn't?

Seems like a chickenshit approach to dealing with an undesirable, kind of enforced ignoring of the unpopular kid.

 

[DucatiHoney]

Like any tool, how it's used makes all the difference: a knife can be used to free a captive of the ropes tying their hands, and then stab them to death.

 

[mean dad]

So it works by having the offending poster continue to post and only bots reply to them? The hope is they never get hip to the fact that only computers are listening to them?

I believe that is correct, yes. I had to Google the term so I assumed others would be similarly unaware.

 

[Mike95060]

Like any tool, how it's used makes all the difference: a knife can be used to free a captive of the ropes tying their hands, and then stab them to death.

Yeah My feelings are mixed. Its probably a sad but necessary reality of the internet. TOS are everywhere. Maybe make it known up front that users may be shadow banned. Users can then act accordingly.

 

[Smash Allen]

Kind of trolling the troll, but who decides who is a troll and who isn't?

Seems like a chickenshit approach to dealing with an undesirable, kind of enforced ignoring of the unpopular kid.

That's the trick, isn't it? I agree about it being the wrong approach...

What is worse is that reddit's CEO was caught editing user's comments to make them sound self-contradictory. His username is 'Spez'. It has now become internet culture to replace 'edit:' in forum and comment posts with 'spez' to remind people that the reddit CEO Steve Huffman is immoral at best and insidious at worst

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...egrets-editing-Trump-supporters-comments.html

 

[TylerW]

That's the trick, isn't it? I agree about it being the wrong approach...

What kind of approach would you take?

 

[DucatiHoney]

Yeah My feelings are mixed. Its probably a sad but necessary reality of the internet. TOS are everywhere. Maybe make it known up front that users may be shadow banned. Users can then act accordingly.

Once you get to the point of having to use something like a shadow ban, I would assume that you're not dealing with a reasonable person. Everything has rules, and it's implied, if not specifically stated, that privileges will be removed and/or disciplinary measures will be employed when those rules are broken.

 

[Mike95060]

Once you get to the point of having to use something like a shadow ban, I would assume that you're not dealing with a reasonable person. Everything has rules, and it's implied, if not specifically stated, that privileges will be removed and/or disciplinary measures will be employed when those rules are broken.

Absolutely agree. I just think users should know how sever punishments can be up front. Many reasonable people never would think something like a shadow ban is even a thing. They should be informed I think.

 

[Climber]

What kind of approach would you take?

Just hide their posts, if it gets to that. Going the next step of fake responses is chickenshit.

 

[Mike95060]

Just hide their posts, if it gets to that. Going the next step of fake responses is chickenshit.

If you do this, you are putting a tremendous responsibility on moderators to deal with a troll who will continue to make new accounts when they realize their posts are hidden. I think I am OK with the nuclear option of shadow banning as long as users are clearly informed about its possibilities.

 

[TylerW]

^^^^^ yup. Usually shadow banning is the tool you use on repeat offenders who just create a new account as soon as you ban them.

It's not a nice tool. It's not used on nice people.

 

[Smash Allen]

What kind of approach would you take?

hmm. maybe one that doesn't infringe on free speech rights. ban their ip. use algorithm to match typing style if they go to vpn.

BE UPFRONT ABOUT IT. TELL THE FUCKTARD THEY ARE BANNED FROM THE PLATFORM