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Shotgun v Pistol

2strokeYardSale

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Whenever somebody asks, "Which should I get for home defense, shotgun or pistol?" I always say shotgun. Or if they ask, "Which pistol should I get for home defense?" I say none, get a shotgun. Pistols are hard to shoot because they are only hand-held. Shotguns are easy to shoot because they have shoulder stocks. As a bonus, buckshot stops attackers better than a pistol bullet.

This weekend I put my video where my mouth is. I did comparisons of "cold runs" (without practice) of my pistol and my shotgun.

I took my dry-as-a-bone Remington 870 Police Magnum from my bedroom to the range, without unloading the six Federal 00B low recoil shells that have sat in its magazine for the past seven years. I took my favorite competition pistol with hot 180gr jacketed hollow point loads, like what you might load your .40S&W house gun with.

Targets were approximately 5 yards, 15 yards, and 10 yards, engaged in that order. Gun started at low ready, safety off, like you might encounter home invaders.

After the initial cold runs, I practiced a lot with the pistol and a little with the shotgun, then did another run with each gun on another, farther, target arrangement. I also fired a slug at the upper panel of the far target to show the accuracy of the single front bead sight.

I have not fired a shotgun since at least 2005. I have not fired my 870, or any pump, since 2004 or earlier, but probably more like 1999. I was never a shotgun expert or anything but I recall running .60 second transitions with my 870 shooting steel plates at ~10 yards.

I most recently fired a handgun last week. I have fired 100-450 handgun rounds per week since spring. I have had the highest handgun classification with the U.S. Practical Shooting Association since 2005. I shoot handguns competitively because it is difficult.

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Lessons learned: Take the scattergun to the range once a year, run some rounds through it, clean it, and lube it. Shotguns still rule. Sh-shuck!
 
I would be a fool to argue against that the shotty can end a confrontation in a hurry. But in a home defense situation, couldn't that long gun be a bit cumbersome in some situations? Catch a burglar out in the backyard...sure the shotgun is best. But what about in a tight hallway? Or needing to panic fire from the hip in a rush?

I've only shot handguns in my life so that's all my experience is with guns before you ask.

Thinking about getting a gun when we move. So the whole home defense thing is something I'll start paying attention to when I see stuff about it from the BARF militia.
 
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It's gamming, you know where the target is. Great shooting none the less.

Why didn't you use those slugs?
 
Catch a burglar out in the backyard...sure the shotgun is best.

Unfortunately you can't shoot a burglar in your backyard :(

The thing about hand guns is their bullets tend to go through walls. Your walls, your neighbor's walls etc...

I got some bird shot for my .22 but it jams in my semi-auto so while the first shot's cool you're kindda screwed after that.
 
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It's gamming, you know where the target is. Great shooting none the less.

Why didn't you use those slugs?
Well yeah, it's also in broad daylight, with no walls or halls, the targets don't move and aren't shooting at me, etc. I don't have a dark house with somebody else to set up surprise targets. (Been there, done that, hella fun.) I'm just trying to show "cold run" hit potential of an expert handgunner with one week off vs. six years off a shotgun. I'd really like to see an average handgunner/expert shotgunner do it cold.

I shot one slug, not on video. It's the last still picture in the video, dead center in the upper part of the target. BOOM HEADSHOT!
 
You can get birdshot in most calibers. Just don't use it in a semi automatic.

.45's

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And I know it might not kill an intruder but having one in the chamber with some hollow points in the other cylinders would sure get someone's attention.
 
Unfortunately you can't shoot a burglar in your backyard :(

The burglar was inside, he just fell out into the backyard.


ps. I have to agree, I recommended a 870 for a first time gun owner, after recommending a dog.
 
how about a 410 shotgun shooting the self defense shells designed for the judge and other revolvers.
 
Pistols are nice but can be lacking when at a shotgun party. :)
 

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NOTHING shoots easier than a SMG with a shoulder stock. I only got to fire my buddy's MP5 once, but I was AMAZED at the buttah. Pistol recoil in a shotgun sized weapon with all the stability and accuracy of firing from the shoulder down a long iron sight. No wonder Spec Ops guys choose those things for CQB Ops. It's fucking candy to drop on target every time.
 
The thing about hand guns is their bullets tend to go through walls. Your walls, your neighbor's walls etc...

What about the Glaser safety slug...they still make those? Seems like it'd be perfect for situations when you've got less than ideal backgrounds. I would imagine that is the best thing for like an air marshall too.
 
You use your pistol to get to your shotgun...

You use your shotgun to get to your rifle...
 
What about the Glaser safety slug...they still make those? Seems like it'd be perfect for situations when you've got less than ideal backgrounds. I would imagine that is the best thing for like an air marshall too.
Yeah but gelatin tests show they don't penetrate very far. Also, they are very light projectiles, which tends not to operate some semi-auto pistols. And they are freakin expensive, too expensive for reliability testing, so at best you would use them in a revolver.

NOTHING shoots easier than a SMG with a shoulder stock. I only got to fire my buddy's MP5 once, but I was AMAZED at the buttah. Pistol recoil in a shotgun sized weapon with all the stability and accuracy of firing from the shoulder down a long iron sight. No wonder Spec Ops guys choose those things for CQB Ops. It's fucking candy to drop on target every time.
Actually, that's not a bad choice that nobody ever mentions: pistol caliber carbines.

Cons:
- pistol bullet interior ballistics
- pistol bullet exterior ballistics

Pros:
- high hit potential
- low recoil
- higher velocity than pistol barrel
- high capacity
- semi-automatic
- quieter than a pistol or rifle
 
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Yeah but gelatin tests show they don't penetrate very far. Also, they are very light projectiles, which tends not to operate some semi-auto pistols. And they are freakin expensive, too expensive for reliability testing, so at best you would use them in a revolver.

So would it not work in a .40S&W gun like a Beretta 96? Haven't been to the range in like 6-7 years, but am thinking the gun I buy will be .40. Might do a .45. That M&P45 looks nice. And I'm sure a Glock in either cailiber would be fine too. My best groups ever were with a used to shit Glock 17.

Not too worried about penetration. Aim center mass and make a purée out of some clown's guts. Don't think too many thugs breaking into houses come wearing body armor. And if they do, they're probably expecting an armed homeowner, so you could be screwed even if you had an MP5K next to the bed.
 
Yeah but gelatin tests show they don't penetrate very far. Also, they are very light projectiles, which tends not to operate some semi-auto pistols. And they are freakin expensive, too expensive for reliability testing, so at best you would use them in a revolver.


Actually, that's not a bad choice that nobody ever mentions: pistol caliber carbines.

Cons:
- pistol bullet interior ballistics
- pistol bullet exterior ballistics

Pros:
- high hit potential
- low recoil
- higher velocity than pistol barrel
- high capacity
- semi-automatic
- quieter than a pistol or rifle

Yeah, I think because they are really expensive. Far and away the most expensive of the 3 options, but if you want to be on target every time in close quarters, a good SMG is the tool the pros use and I have to agree with them.
 
Glasers may or may not work in a pistol.

The problem isn't over-pentration, it's lack of penetration. There is a crowd who follow shootings who seem to think that a certain depth of penetration of the human torso is necessary for incapacitation, and that depth correlates to ballistic gelatin. They say Glasers are insufficient in gelatin.

Google, um, wound ballistics.
 
Katana sword or gtfo.

But in all seriousness, I'll stick with my pistol. Thanks for the cool vid though.

I have a Katana next to my front door not bedside. If they're already in the house they're not leaving under their own power.
 
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