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speeding motorcycles, cop, gun, bang!

WTF? How do these assholes get hired? Tough job my ass. All he had to do was stay in his car and use his loudspeaker to order the guy on the harley to get off the bike and lie face down on the ground. How fucking tough is that? IMO that officer was pumped on adrenaline and pissing himself with fear at the same time... and fear is an emotion that does not belong on the police force.
 
JihadiKiller031 said:
Welcome. Now that your presence in this thread is known, I'll be sure to keep track of my spelling.
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We will be keeping watch over this thread.

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*sigh* I think I should bring this argument (it's not a discussion) to end.

To keep mentioning school zone is irrelevant for the time the incident happened. To allege otherwise betrays lack of knowledge about traffic zone laws.

Nobody is arguing *for* drunk driving. What everyone on this thread is saying is that the rider did not deserve to be shot for being an asshat at 2 AM. There is no law on the penal code of any state that makes it a felony to speed (within certain limits which were not crossed in this particular incident anyway).
 
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JihadiKiller031 said:
I don't think I can break it down any simpler for you
dude.
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awesome, great info, still doesn't go to show a higher presence of children in a schoolzone at 2am than any other suburban neighborhood. So yeah, I think you are going to have to break it down simpler :rofl
 
m_asim said:
To keep mentioning school zone is irrelevant for the time the incident happened. To allege otherwise betrays lack of knowledge about traffic zone laws.
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nah, I think it's just not simple enough for us to understand
 
JihadiKiller031 said:
Thats Karma getting even.
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your grammar is still wrong, but whatever.

you must have amazing stories about the jihadis you have mercilessly and tirelessly murdered. the world is a better place because of your efforts and we lowly constituents must acquiesce to your authority.

as such, let me be the first to acknowledge your endless contribution to our society by ridding it of jihadis. please, for we lowly mortals, tell us one story about how you have conquered a jihadi. we will take this story and pass it on to our sons, so that they may one day emulate you, our holy one.

how, exactly, have you killed a jihadi?
 
This time, I'm seriously done discussing anything with you and at this point, I'm done with BARF. I come on here to post about opinions related to the topics at hand and be involved in thoughtful discussions. Its people like you that have ruined this place for me.

I'm out.
 
JihadiKiller031 said:
This time, I'm seriously done discussing anything with you and at this point, I'm done with BARF. I come on here to post about opinions related to the topics at hand and be involved in thoughtful discussions. Its people like you that have ruined this place for me.

I'm out.
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peace homie....one
 
Jihadi why are you even still arguing? There are no kids out at play at 2am. The fact it's a school zone is not relevant. Him driving intoxicated is also irrelevant because he was not pulled over for that, this was found out after the fact. He did not flee. He was wrongfully shot.

What can you possibly argue about now?
 
JihadiKiller031 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33TBaNgwSUw

listen at 1:21.... hm... .09 and admitting he was high and driving?

Guess the officer just sped up the process of being stupid....

Now I think the rider deserved it. The point he drove under the influence of pot and alcohol he deserved more then parallelization.
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jihad your posts amaze me and sicken me at the same time. Not only do I lose faith in people when I read what you write but I lose faith in the good of folks who are here to protect us. I hope someday you will be able to read an article, properly qoute it, and not change your story after many posts. Your rage and anger for anyone that does not agree with you is more then the e-peen heros on barf whom most of the time are kidding. You seriously need some help and I hope one day you find it. Your attitude on barf sucks and all you do is piss on anyone's post you don't agree with while verbally assaulting them. I am shocked you have not been warned or ask to take a vacation from barf.
 
This thread makes me want to hop on my bike and go do a wheelie through a school zone. :laughing
 
can we merge this with the SWAT VIDEO post and then do some sort of musical/movie thing about jihadi? I would love to see a pancake on his head or even a pedobear....
 
4tuneit1 said:
Look i understand your points exactly and those others made, but I have to consider more than just the bikers POV in this, play devils advocate or whatever, I expect the anti-authority crowd to rally round the bikers...fuck its BARF ya know? But the case you just made compared to what actually happened in the video are completely 180 degrees polar opposites. Hindsight is a powerful ally to some trying to depict the LE actions in a manner that may or may not be true, the information isn't really there. The reaction the officer made was made in a split second (wrong or not I'm not arguing that because ultimately we all are just giving an opinion without being there or at the trial) This could have turned out like many other news stories...the officer paused longer, the person actually pull a weapon, there would be a dead officer. Not long ago a K9 officer in Ohio was shot dead on a routine stop, no warning, no crazy behavior, just popped in the head at the side of the car. Do I know what threat the officer was feeling when the rider didn't obey his commands, motioned towards his waistband and resulted in the shooting? No..but I do know their actions didn't help a damn thing, and I'm not letting the cops off with zero culpability in the end, I'm just not particularly sympathetic to the person who leads cops into the dark of night to test the limits of human self preservation and the thin blue line between life and death. :|
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Two points. First, I don't really consider myself anti-establishment. Hell, I am a lawyer, I think I am part of the establishment. :laughing

Second, while I totally agree that you need to look at both sides of any story, your description here is so dramatic, it borders on hilarity. "Testing the limits of human self preservation" and "then thin blue line between life and death?" :hand Please. It was a routine traffic stop, nothing out of the ordinary. Yes, I realize that many cops will say that no traffic stop is routine -- and I don't really disagree, at least from the perspective that an officer should never get complacent to the point of recklessness -- but the reality is, there are tens of thousands of traffic stops every day in this state, and very, very few end up in tragedy for either party. Traffic stops, for the most part are routine.

When I leave my house I have a reasonable expectation that if I obey the law, drive in a safe manner, and do what I do without drawing attention to illegal activity I won't have to test the system. And you know what, it works pretty well for 99.99 of the law abiding public. Again I think this is the exception not the rule we've seen in the vid considering the tremendous volume of high risk stops LE makes on a daily basis and the relative peace society operates. IMO your chances of what happened in the video though increase exponentially if you do a few non compliant things to set off LE radars that was shown in the video as unlawful, and possibly what we didnt see in the video previous to them speeding off. Motorcyclists and cops don't mesh well, its like Tom and Jerry, the adversarial nature and history of cops chasing bikers is old as it gets, I think whats changed is the culture overall that has gotten more violent and changed that interaction from something I knew as a kid as innocent with innocent outcomes, to something more dangerous and threatening with the rise of gangs, drugs, etc.
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Again, high-risk stops are the exception, not the rule. And frankly, there is nothing in this tape that suggests this stop is any different from any other stop for speeding, or popping a little wheelie, or accelerating hard, or anything that likely the vast majority of the folks on this site -- myself included -- do when they get on a bike. Simply put, there is nothing in this video that suggests that if I had been the one riding by on that night, I wouldn't be the one with a bullet in my back.

Sure, maybe something happened before off camera that would heighten the cops anxiety -- but if that's the case, if the cop was so worried that he needed to come out of the car ready to draw down and fire, maybe he should have called for backup.

The standard we're expecting is a high one for LE, and I fully support that, but when these types of situations occur, the hindsight crowd usually can tell us exactly why LE should have acted, how they should have acted, and when. Its a lazy persons arguement based just on emotion. The standard to bear by this reasoning is not attainable to reach a true or intellectually honest end. You can train LE day and night, and how to react to this or that, but there is a grey area that falls on the shoulders of the other party involved especially when that party taunts authority. That reality cannot simply be ignored because anti-authority is the popular thing to say as it usually is here on BARF.
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It's not anti-authority to question the police.

Besides, if a police officer cannot handle being "taunted," or being disrespected, they need to find another line of work.

Bottom line. Cop shoots biker and there was no good reason for the whole thing to happen.
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Agreed.
 
macadamizer said:
Two points. First, I don't really consider myself anti-establishment. Hell, I am a lawyer, I think I am part of the establishment. :laughing

Second, while I totally agree that you need to look at both sides of any story, your description here is so dramatic, it borders on hilarity. "Testing the limits of human self preservation" and "then thin blue line between life and death?" :hand Please. It was a routine traffic stop, nothing out of the ordinary. Yes, I realize that many cops will say that no traffic stop is routine -- and I don't really disagree, at least from the perspective that an officer should never get complacent to the point of recklessness -- but the reality is, there are tens of thousands of traffic stops every day in this state, and very, very few end up in tragedy for either party. Traffic stops, for the most part are routine.



Again, high-risk stops are the exception, not the rule. And frankly, there is nothing in this tape that suggests this stop is any different from any other stop for speeding, or popping a little wheelie, or accelerating hard, or anything that likely the vast majority of the folks on this site -- myself included -- do when they get on a bike. Simply put, there is nothing in this video that suggests that if I had been the one riding by on that night, I wouldn't be the one with a bullet in my back.

Sure, maybe something happened before off camera that would heighten the cops anxiety -- but if that's the case, if the cop was so worried that he needed to come out of the car ready to draw down and fire, maybe he should have called for backup.



It's not anti-authority to question the police.

Besides, if a police officer cannot handle being "taunted," or being disrespected, they need to find another line of work.



Agreed.
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i rike you cuz u haz da payshuns 2 taip moar werdz than i do :love
 
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Lex Talionis said:
And even more so:


You don't know the mindset of many cops.

Over on the LEO forum, the cops there, and especially the moderator Rel who holds himself out to be a CHP, have indicated it's a case of shoot first and ask questions of the survivors, if any, after.

Rel said killing a female passenger on an evading motorcycle is department policy. "She was asking for it," he'll say. No cop on the forum disagreed.


Read this and be entertained: http://bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=180277

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He must have deleted it because I didn't see any comment like that from Rel. I'm not one to defend police officers often, but Rel and some of the other leo's on this board have earned a lot of respect in my book. I'd love to see the exact quote though.
 
4tuneit1 said:
I read the edit, and so be it. If you actually feel that way about respecting others opinions than I'd rather you not ever respond to anything in any of my threads or any of my replies in the future. Same goes with anyone who can't deal with differing POV's.
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Going bonkers about the TOS and "threats" when clearly no threat was made is not an opinion or a POV.
 
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