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Sport car drivers = slow, Sport bike riders = fast - why?

There are plenty of people zig zagging through traffic driving shit-boxes with temporary registration signs taped to the back window. I think going fast in traffic has nothing to do with the car's performance. You just gotta cut it really close to other cars and not give a damn if you smash. On a bike, it is just plain easier to go through traffic, you can pass through smaller gaps and you can split lanes. Pulling from a stop doesn't involve killing your clutch or burning out the tires or wearing out the tranny prematurely.
 
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Personally, if my worth was in the millions, I would buy a sweet driving car but comfortable, since I am going to be sitting in traffic with the rest of the cagers.
 
Rob....

I'm 32, and feel kinda stodgy now. I've slowed down a lot since I was in my teens. I think I'm a bit more responsible now. I definitely don't ride a bike on the street like I used to. You know... Same story: wife, dog, mortgage. Heck, I even drive a SUV on a daily basis. I don't know how you go from owning sports cars to a SUV in such a short time, but the down payment on the house cost me my last M3. It's not yet been replaced. :( At least I've got my GSX-R and some expendable cash for track days.
 
Lumberjack said:
Ok, I've never driven a sport car of any sort, so I don't know what it's like..

My question then is, why don't I ever see people in their Porches and M3's and all these other fast cars down here in SoCal ripping away from lights or clearing 100mph on the freeway?

When I see some guy on a sport bike, very often the rider is moving fast - faster than the other traffic - either by leaving stops quickly, or just going fast on the freeway.. Always seeing guys blasting around on their bikes (even the cruiser guys, when it comes to leaving lights in a hurry) but almost never the cars..

Is it just not fun to rip around in a sport car like it is on a bike or something?

I feel like, if I was driving a Porsche or a 350z or whatever, I'd at least be stepping on it when the light turned green sometimes, but yet I pretty much never see anyone in a sport car doing anything but driving sedately along like all the other cars..
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Any idiot can pin the throttle in a straight line on the freeway... but what fun is that? Personally, if I want to go faster on the bike, I hit the twisties... if I want to pin the throttle, I take the Ninjette to the track, and ride it as fast as I can- no harm, no foul, no tickets.
As far as a sports car, I've owned a couple in the past, nothing too expensive, but they handled well. If I'm running errands, I'm running errands... I'm getting the groceries home, not "ripping away" from anything. If I wanted to go out and play in the car (like I do with my bike), then I headed off to where there wouldn't be cops waiting to cite me. Part of it is mindset... but I also drive my 4x4 truck a lot faster than most sport-type cars... must be that damned defective right ankle that has no strength to stop the lead-foot from stompin'... :teeth
 
Lumberjack said:
My question then is, why don't I ever see people in their Porches and M3's and all these other fast cars down here in SoCal ripping away from lights or clearing 100mph on the freeway?
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Because, generally speaking, they're not assholes. Unlike sportbike riders who rip away from lights or clear 100mph on the freeway.

I think there's a filtering process at work. Someone who has reached a point in life where he or she can afford, say, $100K for a Porsche 911, probably lives responsibly and has connections to family, profession, and community they value highly. Their values and connections explain both why they have $100K for a car and why they don't drive like fucktards.

OTOH, just about any dickhead can come up with the down payment for a sportbike. Which explains why 200-300 Californians die on sportbikes every year, and those who die in Porsches, Ferraris, etc. number in the dozens.
 
Yes dan, but how many porsches, ferraris ect are on the road, compared to the number of sprotbiles.
 
DataDan said:
I think there's a filtering process at work. Someone who has reached a point in life where he or she can afford, say, $100K for a Porsche 911, probably lives responsibly and has connections to family, profession, and community they value highly. Their values and connections explain both why they have $100K for a car and why they don't drive like fucktards.
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Someone who has reached a point in life where they are not only able but happy to drop $100K on a vehicle has probably reached that point by coming up with a million OTHER ways to be a fucktard and screw people over in ways that actually count.

Just because they're not tearing away from lights and going zoom doesn't mean they're not assholes. These are also the ones with the big fat giant entitlement complex.
 
infraboy said:
I find it funny that I never see a corvette doing over 70mph.

I think a lot of people just get these cars for the badges, it's funny when you see an AMG Mercedes being driven by a middle aged lady doing the speed limit.
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Oh you mean stupid kids don't buy sportsbikes as status badges? And all the while they LITERALLY can't turn a corner to save their life?
 
Gnarly Cranium said:
Someone who has reached a point in life where they are not only able but happy to drop $100K on a vehicle has probably reached that point by coming up with a million OTHER ways to be a fucktard and screw people over in ways that actually count.

Just because they're not tearing away from lights and going zoom doesn't mean they're not assholes. These are also the ones with the big fat giant entitlement complex.
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What do you actually think? Ha, ha, ha. You know what assuming does, right? Not everyone that's successful is a fucktard. Though that's one of my favorite words. I've met a lot of people that aren't successful that are fucktards, too.
 
First compare the average age and average liquidity of sport car drivers vs sport bike drivers.

Second... Oh wait, there is no second.
 
CIE said:
What do you actually think? Ha, ha, ha. You know what assuming does, right? Not everyone that's successful is a fucktard.
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Not everyone, no. But an awful fucking lot of them. Just because you're dying to BE one of them, and holding out some precious knot of belief that when you do, you will somehow magically not be one of the assholes, doesn't mean they're magically a pack of saints.

Me, I question the sanity and taste of ANYONE that would buy a new car, of any variety. When you're willing to pay thousands extra just to have your own seat that no one else's ass has ever touched, just because you think your ass is that SPECIAL-- or, say, when you have five houses that stand empty most of the year, houses that have special lights all over the outside whose sole purpose is to illuminate the EXTERIOR of the goddamn thing just so people can see how big it is-- something's off kilter in your brain. Or maybe I'm just freshly bitter from watching Inside Job last week. :rolleyes

Hey, I know a guy who owns an Aston Martin, and a yacht, and I don't even wanna know what all else... but he happens to be a decent person. I count him as a rare and unusual creature. I know there are exceptions, I'm not stupid.
 
Gnarly Cranium said:
Someone who has reached a point in life where they are not only able but happy to drop $100K on a vehicle has probably reached that point by coming up with a million OTHER ways to be a fucktard and screw people over in ways that actually count.

Just because they're not tearing away from lights and going zoom doesn't mean they're not assholes. These are also the ones with the big fat giant entitlement complex.
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Hey, I never question peoples' motives. One of my favorite people at work owns a NSX, and he is independently wealthy as well.

Someone might think it was excessive I own $30k of two wheeled machines.

My friend likes fast cars. We could argue how I'm faster on a $4k vehicle than his $80k sports car, but if that's how he wants to spend his money, more power to him.
 
Gixxergirl1000 said:
Any idiot can pin the throttle in a straight line on the freeway... but what fun is that?
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If you aren't having fun, you're doing it wrong. Or need a faster car.

One of these days, I'll rip some of my videos off miniDV and upload some of my Nevada open road racing stuff to YouTube.

170+mph draft pass...if that ain't fun and gets your heart going, then nothing will be worthwhile on four wheels.
 
Yea just b/c you're ripping around on a sportbike doesn't make you an asshole, or irresponsible.. Well, depends on what exactly we're talking about when we say "ripping" around - I'm not talking about 95mph freeway wheelies, terrorizing neighborhoods with loud exhausts at 3am, scaring little children in school zones, dragging knee on an on-ramp, and that sort of thing..

I'm talking about going 0-50mph or whatever from a stoplight in maybe 3-5 seconds, cruising "briskly" or opening it up for a moment or two on the freeway - that sort of stuff, nothing extreme, just riding "enthusiastically" - I see lots of riders having fun like that but rarely do I see a person in a sport car driving "enthusiastically"..
 
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