"the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down"

[ohio]

No one said that insemination had anything to do with the "legitimacy" of rape.

Are you sure you read or heard the original quote? Or the follow up apology, which further clarified his beliefs?

If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.

I was talking about forcible rape.

This isn't word games. Apparently you, like Akin, are completely missing the point - this is not a debate or outcry over whether rape is provable. Go ahead, replace "legitimate" with "forcible" in the initial quote... let's allow him his requested mulligan. You are still left with a man that believes that if a woman is pregnant, she could not have been forcibly, actually raped.

 

[Marlowe]

This may sound patronizing and infuriating, but pregnancy isn't a disease. Plan B can be obtained OTC, though possibly at greater cost than by prescription. If a provider has a belief that Plan B takes a life, or has a moral or religious objection to it's use, nothing in the traditional or legal obligations of a healer requires he prescribe it. People forget that medical care providers have rights too, including adherence to ethical or religious beliefs. I write Plan B, but in Merced County and the rest of California's Bible Strip, a surprising number of PA's, NP's and MD's don't. The patient has options, including coughing up the $45 to buy it themselves.

Allegedly it's available OTC, but my experience suggested that really isn't the case. It may have gotten better, hopefully it gets a lot better.

Most major pharmacies in CA seem to have maybe one person that can dispense those, and they never seem to be around.

Some will outright refuse to do so, or at least did for an unmarried couple.

A few years ago, myself and my partner needed a dose, and after burning over 48 hours trying to find someone both willing and able to dispense in the bay area, I gave up and started texting female friends.

Had what we needed within 75 minutes.

 

[UDRider]

Not likely, it will take an ruling in SCOTUS to overturn precedent. This would first of all require a challenge from the state's, making its way up through the federal court system simply to be presented to them.

The make up of Scotus post this next election effect's challenges ten, maybe twenty years down the line, not now.

They'll find a way. If not overturning it directly then putting enough restrictions in place that in practical manner it will be impossible to do.

 

[two wheel tramp]

This may sound patronizing and infuriating, but pregnancy isn't a disease. Plan B can be obtained OTC, though possibly at greater cost than by prescription. If a provider has a belief that Plan B takes a life, or has a moral or religious objection to it's use, nothing in the traditional or legal obligations of a healer requires he prescribe it. People forget that medical care providers have rights too, including adherence to ethical or religious beliefs. I write Plan B, but in Merced County and the rest of California's Bible Strip, a surprising number of PA's, NP's and MD's don't. The patient has options, including coughing up the $45 to buy it themselves.

It's neither patronizing or infuriating to have my question answered and I appreciate seeing the other side of the coin. I suppose forcing a provider to write such a prescription would be forcing my beliefs on that person. I do think from a patient's perspective that could be really frustrating, though, to go to your provider and feel they were unwilling to help.

I took plan B once about 12 years ago. Kiddo was still pretty young, I missed some pills so I went to planned parenthood and received a prescription. I remember feeling incredibly nauseous and tossing my cookies.

 

[Lovedoc]

Most major pharmacies in CA seem to have maybe one person that can dispense those, and they never seem to be around.

Some will outright refuse to do so, or at least did for an unmarried couple.

It's not "can", anyone that can dispense a Motrin "can". It's "won't" and that's how many people from pharmacy chain to pharmacy manager to pharmacist, from doctor to PA and nurse who just don't think that your indiscretions and lack of foresight comprise a reason to provide a drug that theoretically ends a human life. A drug you can purchase OTC or just use condoms. Writing this, I realize this is pretty fucked up. Maybe the generic Plan B will increase access. It's called "Next Choice"

few years ago, myself and my partner needed a dose, and after burning over 48 hours trying to find someone both willing and able to dispense in the bay area, I gave up and started texting female friends.

Had what we needed within 75 minutes.

Yeah in a pinch, even a few birth control pills will serve, the nausea might be worse tho. Link tells exactly how to take various common birth control pills to use as an emergency contraceptive.

http://ec.princeton.edu/questions/dose.html

 

[Marlowe]

It's not "can", anyone that can dispense a Motrin "can". It's "won't" and that's how many people from pharmacy chain to pharmacy manager to pharmacist, from doctor to PA and nurse who just don't think that your indiscretions and lack of foresight comprise a reason to provide a drug that theoretically ends a human life. A drug you can purchase OTC or just use condoms. Writing this, I realize this is pretty fucked up. Maybe the generic Plan B will increase access. It's called "Next Choice"

For the record, the condom broke... hence the search for EC.

Yeah in a pinch, even a few birth control pills will serve, the nausea might be worse tho. Link tells exactly how to take various common birth control pills to use as an emergency contraceptive.

http://ec.princeton.edu/questions/dose.html

I realize this, since it's basically just a high dose, just saying.

The part that I really struggle with is pharmacists that bother to go get certified to dispense EC, but don't WANT to do so on moral grounds.

If you didn't want to hand it out, don't take the damn test.

/rant

 

[Lovedoc]

The part that I really struggle with is pharmacists that bother to go get certified to dispense EC, but don't WANT to do so on moral grounds.

If you didn't want to hand it out, don't take the damn test.

/rant

Rant noted, more warranted than you know. EC has no special status with state boards or DEA. If you can dispense birth control pills or Motrin, or an antibiotic, then EC is same-same.

Any problems getting it at a pharmacy are either caused by contrived supply shortages, corporate fears of Lifer backlash or local reluctance to violate some ethical or religious belief.

 

[Marlowe]

Even worse, awesome.

 

[nbean16]

Dood...The Todd Akin view point is not an isolated nut case opinion...It is the Platform for your Republican Party! Your guy Paul Ryan co-sponsored Akin legislation..

Wha' you talkin' 'bout willis?.

Did you understand a word he said?

 

[two wheel tramp]

Can I just go off topic and say for a moment how awesome birth control is? It let me keep my family size at one child. When it came time to leave my ex it was made much easier because I didn't have a brood of children, which is what he'd always wanted. IUD FTMFW.