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Time for another BART strike? (Contract rejected)

RRR70 said:
But, but, but unions are good for the working folks?! :confused
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Thanks Uncle Ronny!

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I'm curious if anyone actually read the contract. :laughing

It's completely plausible that negotiated terms never reached the final iteration and the documentation just signed to get it off the table. I wouldn't be surprised if this was a mere case of professional negligence.
 
lulz

I use BART to get to my office when I am in town, but,

lulz
 
"So, Johnson, I assume that you read the contract we all just signed and everything is copacetic?"

"Yeah, except for that 6-week thingy that you wanted taken out...that was still in there. You should have that removed before you sign it..."

While this situation is a cubic motherfucker, I think the BART folks used all of their sympathy chits...striking might create a bad taste in folks mouths (even though they're in the right). Should be interesting.

Oiy.
 
If I was pope of the Bay Area, I'd fire everyone top to bottom. :laughing

But BART really is kind of a jobs program, that is why it isn't super efficient.
 
mikev said:
It seems like that 6 weeks paid family leave was in addition to regular vacation/sick time.

That's insane.
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FMLA is federal law, 12 weeks unpaid leave for serious medical conditions. The Dr must fill out a form, HIPPA protected. Note not everyone covered (rules you know), Not to be confused with California Family Rights Act.

Would people abuse it sure they would.

I am a retired HR Manager. I had an employee who wanted my business card before she went on vacation back home in Costa Rica. Sure enough two weeks later I get an email with a Dr note in Spanish saying she needed 12 weeks FMLA to take care of her sick father.



boney said:
What BART management is doing is practically the golden example of Unfair Labor Practices of Section 8(a)(5) of the National Labor Relations Act.

Prepare for a huge giveback to the unions in some other form (most likely raises) or a long, drawn out lawsuit. The unions have 'em by the short hairs now.

I can't believe whomever was in charge at BART let this slip through. Perhaps someone will lose a job. Nah, they'll just brush it under the rug. Administrators never do anything wrong.:laughing
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No question someone screwed up big time not reading what was being signed. Bart has notes and letters rejecting the PAID FMLA. The union slipped it in and someone missed it.


Don't think the unions would do this? On the Teamsters contract we had we switched who did the printing, every other contract. There was always a final complete draft before it was printed. One year when it was the teamsters turn to print the contract, no final draft was done. The Teamster Union Rep handed me a printed contract and I said where is the draft. He said it was all approved and I did not need one WTF. I told him don't pass them out until I read it. Just a small error! Dates were for a 3 year contract and not the 5 years that were agreed on. I got a letter of understanding done before they were passed out.


 
bikeama said:


No question someone screwed up big time not reading what was being signed. Bart has notes and letters rejecting the PAID FMLA. The union slipped it in and someone missed it.


Don't think the unions would do this? On the Teamsters contract we had we switched who did the printing, every other contract. There was always a final complete draft before it was printed. One year when it was the teamsters turn to print the contract, no final draft was done. The Teamster Union Rep handed me a printed contract and I said where is the draft. He said it was all approved and I did not need one WTF. I told him don't pass them out until I read it. Just a small error! Dates were for a 3 year contract and not the 5 years that were agreed on. I got a letter of understanding done before they were passed out.
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I don't doubt that it could happen, and it might have in this case, but at this point it is merely conjecture based on a one time experience of one person. I think I'll wait for the final final on this before I start crying foul on the union. I'm sure you understand.
 
Awhile ago I talked with a BART retiree about some retirement stuff.

Their pension was pretty shit compared to most CALPERS and CALSTERS folks I see. About 1/2.
 
I saw a work truck with most of a union sticker on it- they corrected the tag line for accuracy. it now read "live better, work."
 
BTW. If the management or the union signed a contract that the other party had snuck something in on, it will not be valid. Signed or not, these meetings are recorded and if they reached an agreement as to what would be in the contract, it was recorded and will be used as evidence the other negotiated in poor faith. This will be used to nullify the agreement. When contract disputes got to court, the negotiation notes are also brought into play to determine if a party violated the negotiated terms of the contract, or failed to provide the appropriate terms on the contract.

I still think the management should have given them a best a final offer months ago with nothing beyond their original contract and told them to suck it, since the funds should be going to extending service connections and replacing the worn out cars. The union can get their gain by the additional hiring and subsequent dues.
 
revnort said:
Yeah but for vacation. I get 3 weeks of vacation (and that is the max I believe) and that was earned by being at the company for quite some time. Typical paid leave for my company is:

10 days vacation (two weeks), 8 paid sick days, 4 days bereavement.

6 weeks just in sick time is fucking absurd and would be totally abused IMHO.
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You usually need to provide proof when using anything in regards to FMLA. I had to provide a birth certificate for my daughter as to not get written up at my previous job. I only took 5 days off from work, 1 of which was a federal holiday. I'd love to see more support for paternity leave, because going back to work after 5 days with a newborn at home sucks.

But, fuck BART. Butt fuck BART.
 
BART's cost claims for paid leave don't add up
http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openf...laims-for-paid-leave-don-t-add-up-4994627.php

In 2012, 7.4 percent (171 out of 2,301) of SEIU members used paid family leave for an average duration of 4.3 weeks. At this level, BART claims that the new paid-family-leave language would cost $5.8 million over the four years of the contract. That's $1.45 million a year. But BART also says that most of that $1.45 million cost comes from paying for replacement workers, which would be the case whether the leave was paid or not. So when you do the arithmetic, the additional cost to BART of paying for family leave would likely be around $700,000 a year.

However, instead of using that realistic cost estimate, BART is telling the public that the potential cost is $44.2 million.
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($44mil. over 4 yrs)
 
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