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Tornado alley bedroom community building codes

I agree with the consensus in this thread that that a girl with math skills is a terrible thing. Only a girl with a tape measure is worse. It screws everything up.
 
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CockyRooster said:
I agree with the consensus in this thread that that a girl with math skills is a terrible thing. Only a girl with a tape measure is worse. It screws everything up.
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Girls with tape measures are bad juju. I know what 11 inches is.
 
mean dad said:
Please, Lou, explain to me how you're going to overcome the issue of bedrock or flood levels in a thousand homes. Neighbors pulling together? How exactly are they going to pull together?
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Well...you see...if you wheelie...

:laughing
 
LOL @ the comparison to earthquakes....
When was the last death by earthquake in this country? The bridge that collapsed a few years ago? Pretty sure tornadoes kill way more people in this country.
Someone who lives in Tornado Alley is going to need to defend themselves much more often than someone here would.
 
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What gets me, is that people know this is the natural disaster that the region is prone to. Yet, they build structures that are not designed to withstand their main threat: Tornado's.

You look here, we earthquake retrofit everything after the '89 quake.

Similarly, you look at Florida and all the folks there get hit by a hurricane, their town is decimated, then they build it up with the exact same wood framed design and it happens again in 3-5 years. FEMA comes in to clean it up and fund them every time. Why?

You look at Jamaica and other countries in the Caribbean and all of the houses are built with re-bar and cinder blocks. Guess what? Those don't get phased in hurricanes!!!

Way to adapt America..
 
A big problem there was how quickly it happened as many people didn't have time to make it to a shelter even if there was one. It might be cool if they had an underground sewer system large enough that could double as shelters for people to duck into in an emergency.
 
CockyRooster said:
A big problem there was how quickly it happened as many people didn't have time to make it to a shelter even if there was one. It might be cool if they had an underground sewer system large enough that could double as shelters for people to duck into in an emergency.
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so you're saying..."when the shit hits the fan" eh?
 
Reli said:
LOL @ the comparison to earthquakes....
When was the last death by earthquake in this country? The bridge that collapsed a few years ago? Pretty sure tornadoes kill way more people in this country.
Someone who lives in Tornado Alley is going to need to defend themselves much more often than someone here would.
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You would lose badly:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_natural_disasters_by_death_toll#10_deadliest_tornadoes

Vs:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_natural_disasters_by_death_toll#55_Deadliest_earthquakes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_natural_disasters_by_death_toll#10_deadliest_tsunamis

Shoot, heat kills more old people each summer than we typically lose to tornadic storms.

I did a lot of growing up in the midwest, and have been through several of those storms, and you know, we all survived.
 
Ducky_Fresh said:
What gets me, is that people know this is the natural disaster that the region is prone to. Yet, they build structures that are not designed to withstand their main threat: Tornado's.

You look here, we earthquake retrofit everything after the '89 quake.

Similarly, you look at Florida and all the folks there get hit by a hurricane, their town is decimated, then they build it up with the exact same wood framed design and it happens again in 3-5 years. FEMA comes in to clean it up and fund them every time. Why?

You look at Jamaica and other countries in the Caribbean and all of the houses are built with re-bar and cinder blocks. Guess what? Those don't get phased in hurricanes!!!

Way to adapt America..
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There's a big difference between quake retrofit and building to withstand a tornado.
 
Ducky_Fresh said:
You look here, we earthquake retrofit everything after the '89 quake.
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Sort of.

I was waiting for this one, so here we go...

:laughing

You realize 95% of the retrofits done in the Bay Area were done for life safety reasons alone, right?

Not...to ensure that the structure would still be usable afterwards. I've seen very few refits like that...the last one I saw done cost around $20 million.

You might live, but don't assume your home wouldn't be just as much of a tear down as theirs afterwards.
 
CockyRooster said:
A big problem there was how quickly it happened as many people didn't have time to make it to a shelter even if there was one. It might be cool if they had an underground sewer system large enough that could double as shelters for people to duck into in an emergency.
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The early warning for this tornado was good according to this article.

Two major field programs have studied these storms using dozens of mobile weather stations, aircraft and Doppler radars. The result from all these years of research and training was displayed Monday. Forecasters from the National Weather Service Office in Norman, Oklahoma, were very aware that the atmosphere in and around central Oklahoma had all the ingredients for significant tornadoes.
Knowing that the atmosphere could produce a strong tornado, they immediately issued the tornado warning as soon as the Doppler radar started to show low-level rotation within the storm.
This warning was 16 minutes before the touchdown of the Moore tornado outside of Newcastle, Oklahoma, and nearly an hour before the end of the tornado some 20 miles away.
Undoubtedly, the long lead time saved countless lives. I'm one of a number of researchers at NOAA who are working on ways to combine all of the environmental, radar and other weather data into a computer model that will attempt to predict when the tornado will develop and how strong it will be as much as an hour in advance.
This "Warn on Forecast" concept, while showing promise, is still years away from being a reality.
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Marlowe said:
You might live, but don't assume your home wouldn't be just as much of a tear down as theirs afterwards.
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Ya, but earthquakes are happening at a far, far lower rate.

These folks have this happen EVERY YEAR! What's the definition of insanity again? :twofinger
 
DucatiHoney said:
Uh...actually I have done the math on that. Thankfully it's not all that complicated, cuz imma girl and numbers are skurry. :p

I was asking the OP to shed a little light on his question before I totally geeked out on him. Besides, this is more of a policy discussion than an algebra pop quiz. He might just have been venting a little frustration at the death of yet another group of little kids. Man, BARF is like a big know-it-all convention sometimes. :twofinger
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Actually..I didn't see Your post as Geeking out, totally or other wise.

Your posts (and actions) are always a pillar of reason.
If it wasn't for this trait in the Mods...
This site would be an out of control fest at the cuckoo nest.
 
CockyRooster said:
A big problem there was how quickly it happened as many people didn't have time to make it to a shelter even if there was one. It might be cool if they had an underground sewer system large enough that could double as shelters for people to duck into in an emergency.
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Horse Crap There is time..there are warnings...Not acting on warnings, wastes time, and not having a shelter to go to, and also doing wrong things makes for disaster results.

See post 52.

But come on..Do we have to defend nitwit city? I don't.
 
Ducky_Fresh said:
Ya, but earthquakes are happening at a far, far lower rate.

These folks have this happen EVERY YEAR! What's the definition of insanity again? :twofinger
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you do realize that the path of destruction a tornado leaves is only a small fraction of what an earthquake hits right?

draw a line in the sand with your finger - that line is the tornadoes damage...everything outside that line is 'untouched'

hop on a steamroller and drive over the same section of sand - wherever the sand is compacted is where the earthquake hit.

the chance of getting nailed by a tornado, in tornado alley, is really freaking small...

Odds of dying in a tornado are 1 in 2 million
Odds of being killed by falling out of bed are 1 in 2 million.


so...ya wanna put guardrails up on your bed just in case you fall out one night? :laughing
 
How many people in the Bay Area even KNOW the state of their home's earthquake preparedness? Damn few I'd wager. "I'm sure the landlord follows the rules" is probably the status quo, or " I can't afford to but I'm not worried."
 
CHUM said:
you do realize that the path of destruction a tornado leaves is only a small fraction of what an earthquake hits right?

draw a line in the sand with your finger - that line is the tornadoes damage...everything outside that line is 'untouched'

hop on a steamroller and drive over the same section of sand - wherever the sand is compacted is where the earthquake hit.

the chance of getting nailed by a tornado, in tornado alley, is really freaking small...

Odds of dying in a tornado are 1 in 2 million
Odds of being killed by falling out of bed are 1 in 2 million.


so...ya wanna put guardrails up on your bed just in case you fall out one night? :laughing
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Hush you, please don't bring reason to a discussion in the KS.
 
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