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Toyota problems could be electronics

OaklandLion said:
I think it's bullshit that some of you are blaming the driver for the thing yesterday.

I heard him speak last nite - it's not like he's doing trackdays.

Toyota has a fucked up product, it's that simple.
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The fact that Toyota sucks doesn't excuse the fact that the driver sucks.

We're already getting cases of people driving right the hell into other cars and pointing the finger at Toyota.
 
Aluisious said:
High pressure situation...Holeshot trying to bait me into answering a question that appears relevant but is really a trick, so that he can criticize my answer...

What to do? What to do!?

Ignore it! Whew, dodged that one.

:twofinger
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Really? Does everyone think a question to someone else is a baiting question? The point is simple Al: most people that have a throttle stick in a corner for the first time first have to identify that THAT is the problem and then, deal with it (pull clutch, run off track if needed, etc).

Come on man, it's a nice discussion we're having, why pull that bullshit?

Regarding drivers that suck: we thought the CHP officer who had his throttle was a moron cause he didn't use the brakes...so, sometimes things aren't always what they seem.
 
All I know is Toyota still thinks their vehicles are worth their weight in GOLD. they are not dropping prices any, which makes me wonder if they are on the brink of collapse?
 
Dan, you're gonna collapse..karting this weekend? You're moving, I'm paying!
 
Holeshot said:
Agree GAJ. Amazed the stock is holding up.

Alluisious, ever had a throttle hang on your bike entering a corner? What'd you do? Shut the bike off or try and make the corner?
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Summit Point WV, turn 1 pro-twins race on an EX500. What I did was run straight and crash. Throttle got stuck at 1/2 throttle, already running at 98% of my ability that added confusion was too much for me to process, never thought about the kill switch, was worried about where I was going. But it was a little different that piloting a Toyota Prius on the highway.
 
There absolutely could be something wrong, but it could also be a complete crock of hype like with Audi back in the 80s. Put aside the Toyota hate / love and look at the numbers, then ask yourself what you think is more believable.

The fact over 60 people reported unintended acceleration after recall repairs were performed has me suspecting the bullshit is thick. Especially when you consider it was a statistical anomaly for the 4-6 years before that.
 
My900ss said:
Summit Point WV, turn 1 pro-twins race on an EX500. What I did was run straight and crash. Throttle got stuck at 1/2 throttle, already running at 98% of my ability that added confusion was too much for me to process, never thought about the kill switch, was worried about where I was going. But it was a little different that piloting a Toyota Prius on the highway.
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Laughed at the last line...good story BTW. Exactly as I've experienced it. It happens so fast it's hard to figure what's happening...
 
Let me clarify it was going into turn 1 during a pro-twins race not the first turn of the race and the Pro is production not professional :teeth It was all I could do to pick the best place to crash ha ha. I am still of the opinion if you can dial a phone and call 911 you could just as easily roll your window down and stick your hand into the wind thus stopping the Prius.
 
this also has me thinking of other media "incidents" like the "fainting students" issue in the ME a while back. All sorts of accusations about Mossad attacks and such but as soon as the media quit reporting it, the incidents also disappeared.

And knowing how far some individuals and groups have gone to game the car and life insurance systems in the past, is it unreasonable to believe many incidents are "self inflicted"?

having two of the highest profile incidents happening in the same area in CA, makes me wonder as well. Is there a NUMMI connection perhaps? Or just a higher number of lawyers and professional victims?

mlm said:
There absolutely could be something wrong, but it could also be a complete crock of hype like with Audi back in the 80s. Put aside the Toyota hate / love and look at the numbers, then ask yourself what you think is more believable.

The fact over 60 people reported unintended acceleration after recall repairs were performed has me suspecting the bullshit is thick. Especially when you consider it was a statistical anomaly for the 4-6 years before that.
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I figure it's a lot easier to turn the key off on a Prius (or ANY car) with one hand providing more than enough steering input at speed than to try the same on a bike at race speeds :) Another reason to love push/pull cables :) Of course we DO have that handy "kill switch" right next to the throttle within thumb reach, no? :)

My900ss said:
Let me clarify it was going into turn 1 during a pro-twins race not the first turn of the race and the Pro is production not professional :teeth It was all I could do to pick the best place to crash ha ha. I am still of the opinion if you can dial a phone and call 911 you could just as easily roll your window down and stick your hand into the wind thus stopping the Prius.
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Isn't that part of passing the driver's test anymore? They used to reach over and shut off the car to see if you knew how to restart it in a hurry if you killed it. My dad insisted you needed to KNOW how your vehicle handled in an unexpected power loss situation, and I had enough old cars doing just that so I had plenty of practice by the time I was 18 :(
 
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Years ago the throttle cable stuck on my mother in law's Jaguar XJ6 as she was driving down Adobe Road in Petaluma, (straight 2 lane country road, 55mph limit).

She shut off the car but the steering locked when she tried to move to the side of the road, car ended up in culvert.

She survived.

I'm sure most of us would have simply put it in neutral and braked, or quickly flipped the ignition key off and then back (without restarting the car), but she panicked.

Toyota is not exactly known to draw the gearhead crowd, so dumbass decisions are to be expected in these incidents which ALL involve automatic transmission cars, (to my knowledge).

But yeah, I'm guessing at this point that over half the claims/lawsuits are pure BS...even though my best guess is that an issue does exist and that it is an electronic issue at the root of the matter.
 
Why is the first reaction of these folks to pick up a cell phone and call 911?

Talk about a bunch of wet blankets. Why not try controling the car?
 
Asphaultnaut said:
I figure it's a lot easier to turn the key off on a Prius (or ANY car) with one hand providing more than enough steering input at speed than to try the same on a bike at race speeds :) Another reason to love push/pull cables :) Of course we DO have that handy "kill switch" right next to the throttle within thumb reach, no? :)

Isn't that part of passing the driver's test anymore? They used to reach over and shut off the car to see if you knew how to restart it in a hurry if you killed it. My dad insisted you needed to KNOW how your vehicle handled in an unexpected power loss situation, and I had enough old cars doing just that so I had plenty of practice by the time I was 18 :(
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The Prius does not have a key you turn off. It has a push button ignition. To shut it off in an emergency you have to press and hold the button for some defined period of time. IIRC it was 3 seconds.

I am not sure how what you quoted from me is relative to your question?
 
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you were referring to a personal stuck throttle incident in which you were in a high performance situation and had to make the decision of how to deal with it. As opposed to a highway commute situation where there was enough time to call 911 and still keep the vehicle stable. Quoted you because others were trying to promote the "it's too scary" excuse as to why the Toyota owner in question couldn't deal with his situation even though it was the tiniest fraction of the total stress and attention situation of yours.

Demonstrating that if a motorcyclist in a racing situation can survive a stuck throttle, a Prius driver of the minimum skill and intelligence legally allowed to drive should have no problem.

Quoted you meaning no disparagement or insult. the kill switch part was an addition to cut off any responses from others claiming it's hard to power down a runaway motorcycle.

My900ss said:
The Prius does not have a key you turn off. It has a push button ignition. To shut it off in an emergency you have to press and hold the button for some defined period of time. IIRC it was 3 seconds.


Mr Sikes credibility is being called into question, what with two unsubstantiated burglary claims in his past. Still trying to dig up a actual story of that, so it's unsubstantiated too :p
I am not sure how what you quoted from me is relative to your question?
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mlm said:
I see a pattern!

BTW, your last link was a duplicate...perhaps you meant this? :twofinger
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I'm surprised anyone actually read anything I posted :laughing


Press conference guy is bankrupt and owes $700k, and hasn't made a Prius payment in 5 months.
 
Asphaultnaut said:
Quoted you because others were trying to promote the "it's too scary" excuse as to why the Toyota owner in question couldn't deal with his situation even though it was the tiniest fraction of the total stress and attention situation of yours.
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Ok, I thought you were lumping me in that category of its to tough to stop a 17hp Toyota Prius. The thread took a sidestep when Berto asked the question how would one respond to a stuck throttle, me I did not panic but I did crash. My reply was not related to the Prius driver. Thanks for the clarification.
 
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