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Unmarked Motor Units?

Dr. Evil said:
They seem to do a decent job of it in the UK...

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Never seen anything even close to Euro LE in the United States.

+ lolnogun
 
dark blue? ACSO ?
 
It was dark blue, parked at a 45 degree angle behind a car on the right shoulder on 680 south, around commute hours, but in Contra Costa County. I couldn't see the rear, but it really looked like the LEO Concours. It had a solo saddle and color matched bags, couldn't tell if they were stock, I'm not that familiar with them.
 
bojangle said:
He meant without looking like a clown.
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FWIW, I did see unmarked LEO motos in the UK. An FJR and some kind of spr0tbile, both only apparent because of the blue light integrated into the mirrors. Both bikes were black, and the riders were wearing black leather and white helmets.
 
About 2 weeks ago I saw 3 different unmarked units that had pulled over cars in a 2 day period. Every one had a light right behind the rear view and lights in the grill. On at least 1 the tail lights flashed extra bright. Without lights you wouldn't have known it was a LEO. At least 2 officers were in full uniform. Can't remember the third.

One was SJ on race near San Carlos. One was 101 north near mountain view and one was 85 south right around el camino.
 
silversvs said:
Vehicles used specifically for traffic enforcement are required to be distinctively marked. I don't see a need/use for an unmarked motor. I've never seen one either.
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There is a white ford f-150 that I saw after the toll booths on the Bay Bridge pulling someone over. I had no idea it was law enforcement until lights lit up behind the rear tinted windows. No crash bar, no decals, no nothin. It looked like a typical work truck. It may not have specifically been use for traffic enforcement, but is was definitely "unmarked" in all sense of the word.
 
Unmarked vehicles have a variety of uses in law enforcement and they can legally be used to stop vehicles, as long as they are equipped with a solid red light to the front. They just can't be used for the primary purpose of traffic enforcement in California.

It would seem there would be little, if any, use for unmarked motorcycles in California law enforcement....maybe for high level dignitary protection, but even then...
 
Don't like what I see. The second unmarked units are involved in any 'regular' duty - traffic violations, etc. (and not covert sting operations targeting specific individuals) LEO is overstepping a boundary. They should not ever be used in such operations, regardless of whether or not it is their primary or secondary duty. In that instant, they shift from using defensive to offensive tactics, and that, in my eyes, is not only wrong, but downright scary. The fact that LEO doesn't ride with their lights on permanently in the US is a enough of a tactic that is used to go on the offensive. Unmarked (or scantily badged/labled) LEO vehicles is just a step too far.

The icing on the cake is that in addition to the above, rampant spending by LEO on something like that black sport bike is nothing short of absurd.

There was a comment made about police needing top notch equipment. While I agree, I will also draw the line by stating that they don't need all of it, all of the time. There is a time and place for everything, but the influx of LEO vehicles with more of a stealth oriented appearance, is not because LEO needs the best, it's because they can spend - as they're a very lucrative institution, and tactics like these only increase revenue.
 
There is no black unmarked LEO motorcycle, and undercover units will usually only stop their target or a flat out reckless violation. Someone driving by is not going to know the difference.

The sky is not falling.
 
I would assume that the Presidio is exempt from the unmarked used for traffic enforcement policy. I have personally observed the well hidden lights on the Park Police vehicles, and watched them use unmarked cars/suv's for traffic details consistently.
Either way, I have yet to see the same bike again, so I assume it was a civi bike.
 
as-of-now said:
Don't like what I see. The second unmarked units are involved in any 'regular' duty - traffic violations, etc. (and not covert sting operations targeting specific individuals) LEO is overstepping a boundary. They should not ever be used in such operations, regardless of whether or not it is their primary or secondary duty. In that instant, they shift from using defensive to offensive tactics, and that, in my eyes, is not only wrong, but downright scary. The fact that LEO doesn't ride with their lights on permanently in the US is a enough of a tactic that is used to go on the offensive. Unmarked (or scantily badged/labled) LEO vehicles is just a step too far.

The icing on the cake is that in addition to the above, rampant spending by LEO on something like that black sport bike is nothing short of absurd.

There was a comment made about police needing top notch equipment. While I agree, I will also draw the line by stating that they don't need all of it, all of the time. There is a time and place for everything, but the influx of LEO vehicles with more of a stealth oriented appearance, is not because LEO needs the best, it's because they can spend - as they're a very lucrative institution, and tactics like these only increase revenue.
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One of the best posts in the LEO forum in a long time :rofl

Pass the tinfoil hats
 
Hmm, seems like unless you are doing something wrong you don't need to worry whether cars aren't marked. :dunno
 
silversvs said:
One of the best posts in the LEO forum in a long time :rofl

Pass the tinfoil hats
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John, you beat me to it. :rofl

Jalopyshoppe said:
I would assume that the Presidio is exempt from the unmarked used for traffic enforcement policy. I have personally observed the well hidden lights on the Park Police vehicles, and watched them use unmarked cars/suv's for traffic details consistently.
Either way, I have yet to see the same bike again, so I assume it was a civi bike.
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Correct! The presidio is federal park land patrolled by federal park police. They enforce federal law, not state law, so they are not bound by the California vehicle code and are likely allowed to do traffic enforcement in unmarked vehicles. Some other states also do unmarked traffic enforcement.
 
as-of-now said:
Don't like what I see. The second unmarked units are involved in any 'regular' duty - traffic violations, etc. (and not covert sting operations targeting specific individuals) LEO is overstepping a boundary. They should not ever be used in such operations, regardless of whether or not it is their primary or secondary duty. In that instant, they shift from using defensive to offensive tactics, and that, in my eyes, is not only wrong, but downright scary. The fact that LEO doesn't ride with their lights on permanently in the US is a enough of a tactic that is used to go on the offensive. Unmarked (or scantily badged/labled) LEO vehicles is just a step too far.

The icing on the cake is that in addition to the above, rampant spending by LEO on something like that black sport bike is nothing short of absurd.

There was a comment made about police needing top notch equipment. While I agree, I will also draw the line by stating that they don't need all of it, all of the time. There is a time and place for everything, but the influx of LEO vehicles with more of a stealth oriented appearance, is not because LEO needs the best, it's because they can spend - as they're a very lucrative institution, and tactics like these only increase revenue.
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I agree 100% and am interested in subscribing to your news letter and/or blog.
 
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