what is with the higher chp/sherrif pressence?

[5MARY4]

Ok,, you guys caught me,, I'm a liar,, it's a big conspiracy. I'll go check the sink vids for an update on the cosplay thread.....

 

[Rel]

Ok,, you guys caught me,, I'm a liar,, it's a big conspiracy. I'll go check the sink vids for an update on the cosplay thread.....

You know the saying...

Those who can't.... complain.

 

[Removed 4]

My continual question is this: Why are people always so amazed when rules get enforced?

How many times have I heard, "I know it was wrong, but why am I getting in trouble for it?"

If one does not want to get in trouble for something, one should not do that thing.

 

[mmama]

Do the rules also apply to the LEO's? I have almost been hit three times by our local LEO's (no lights, not in pursuit) and it would have been 100% their fault each time. When I asked politely about it, I was the one that was yelled at and threatened each time. Please note that I am NOT a young kid in a street rocket and have an exemplary driving record. Unfortunately, my respect for the LEO's has declined from each incident that I have been personally present at. I fail to see a professionalism present in many of the officers present on the road. I have been a witness to the action and then personally observed the officer outright lie about their conduct.

The day that I am afraid to question an action of a LEO for fear of retaliation (yes, it has happened in my city) is a sad day indeed. There were two officers that I did have respect for and one of them, a Lt., mentioned that many of the street cops haven't learned to let go of their ego in doing their job.

While I recognize the need for officers, I also recognize the need for the officers to realize that they are only the officer issuing the citation, not the judge and jury as well.

 

[JPM]

Law Enforcement officers are a part of the collective consciousness, too ya know.

Not that I'm suggesting any California agencies are partaking in such deeds, but here's an article with a study attached relating increases in traffic tickets issued to economic downturns.



Here's a little local flavor on the issue (note: this one is more political/admin. related):


The MUNI guy in the Chronicle article does have this to say, which is on par with what I've read in this thread.

"There's no doubt we need revenue from every possible source, but our role here is simply to enforce parking restrictions from street cleaning, and the amount of street cleaning needed is decided by" Public Works, he said. "Our goal is not to write unnecessary parking citations."



As for my own $.02 on the issue... I've noticed a lot more enforcement on the routes I've been travelling almost every day for the past four years. It seems like more people are getting tickets. It's also a well-known fact that state and local government coffers are pretty much bone dry. I know traffic tickets are a great way to generate often at least a few hundred dollars of revenue per citation for those local and state coffers. But this is the Internet and since I have not personally conducted a peer-reviewed study on the exact topic I can't state one way or the other if traffic enforcement has intentionally been increased in order to raise money.

ETA: Here is the abstract for the study linked above

Let's see now, the first and last article referenced are not about California which has laws to prevent the actions described.
The California article shows that citations are DOWN 26%.

Hmm.

 

[Rel]

Let's see now, the first and last article referenced are not about California which has laws to prevent the actions described.
The California article shows that citations are DOWN 26%.

Hmm.

You mean we can't argue facts from another state in our argument about California?

 

[Rel]

Do the rules also apply to the LEO's?

Unfortunately, my respect for the LEO's has declined from each incident that I have been personally present at.

Yes, the rules do apply to LEO's.

Here's the problem with today's society: We blame everyone for the actions of the few. We no longer hold people accountable for their actions, instead, we blame everyone.

Examples:

All Priest and Scoutmasters are pedophiles, because a few have been.

All Cops are heavy handed, bullies, or on the take, because a few have been.

All athletes use steroids because a few have.

All sport bike riders are stunters or criminals, because a few have been.

The police work for the citizens that employ them. It's your right to question the actions of those there to enforce the laws. However, you, as the citizen create the laws that they enforce.

LEO's don't need your respect in order to do their jobs. It's nice to have, makes things a little easier, but not needed.

The professional will do his/her job with or without your respect, and will do it professionally.

 

[1085One]

Yes, the rules do apply to LEO's.

Here's the problem with today's society: We blame everyone for the actions of the few. We no longer hold people accountable for their actions, instead, we blame everyone.

Examples:

All Priest and Scoutmasters are pedophiles, because a few have been.

All Cops are heavy handed, bullies, or on the take, because a few have been.

All athletes use steroids because a few have.

All sport bike riders are stunters or criminals, because a few have been.

The police work for the citizens that employ them. It's your right to question the actions of those there to enforce the laws. However, you, as the citizen create the laws that they enforce.

LEO's don't need your respect in order to do their jobs. It's nice to have, makes things a little easier, but not needed.

The professional will do his/her job with or without your respect, and will do it professionally.

 

[CABilly]

Let's see now, the first and last article referenced are not about California which has laws to prevent the actions described.
The California article shows that citations are DOWN 26%.

Hmm.

I haven't accused any CA agencies of the practices listed above. I posted the articles/study to show that, while maybe not here, it can and does happen elsewhere.

The citations are down in the Chronicle article because they reduced some street sweeping routes, which resulted in less time for restricted parking. The article states that city agencies, not pleased with losing almost $4 million dollars in parking ticket revenue (while only saving $1 million from the reduced sweeping), were considering reinstating the street sweeping routes in order to collect that lost revenue. Sweeping streets so there's an excuse to issue citations IS using law enforcement for the sake of revenue collection. The article shines some light on the thought processes of administrators.

Following the old axiom "Correlation =/= Causation," I'll take your word that not enforcing the law in order to drum up revenue is the practice de jure.

 

[JPM]

I haven't accused any CA agencies of the practices listed above. I posted the articles/study to show that, while maybe not here, it can and does happen elsewhere.

The citations are down in the Chronicle article because they reduced some street sweeping routes, which resulted in less time for restricted parking. The article states that city agencies, not pleased with losing almost $4 million dollars in parking ticket revenue (while only saving $1 million from the reduced sweeping), were considering reinstating the street sweeping routes in order to collect that lost revenue. Sweeping streets so there's an excuse to issue citations IS using law enforcement for the sake of revenue collection. The article shines some light on the thought processes of administrators.

Following the old axiom "Correlation =/= Causation," I'll take your word that not enforcing the law in order to drum up revenue is the practice de jure.

Two points:

Parking is not the police. While officers do sometimes issue parking citation, the task usually falls to another agency within the city.

And in the article you posted. Even though the elected officials were complaining about the dropping revenue, the public works stated they based the street sweeping on need and not ticket revenue. Now there is government working for you.

 

[CABilly]

Two points:

Parking is not the police. While officers do sometimes issue parking citation, the task usually falls to another agency within the city.

And in the article you posted. Even though the elected officials were complaining about the dropping revenue, the public works stated they based the street sweeping on need and not ticket revenue. Now there is government working for you.

Police, PUC, City Council, Board of Supervisors, Mayor, Meter Maid, etc; they're all different heads of the same hydra. Am I to believe that local government agencies operate in a vacuum, devoid of or immune to any political pressure that may be coming from the others?

I'm not questioning the integrity or motives of anyone here. I've read hundreds of BARF LEO posts to know you're all the kind of officers we need in this state. I understand you don't personally gain anything for writing tickets.

I also understand that where politics and money are concerned, what's legal, what's right, and what's really going on are not always the same thing.

 

[}Dragon{]

Two points:

Parking is not the police. While officers do sometimes issue parking citation, the task usually falls to another agency within the city.

SF DPT does NOT have quotas. They have "performance standards".

 

[mmama]

Accountability

Yes, the rules do apply to LEO's.

Here's the problem with today's society: We blame everyone for the actions of the few. We no longer hold people accountable for their actions, instead, we blame everyone.

Examples:

All Priest and Scoutmasters are pedophiles, because a few have been.

All Cops are heavy handed, bullies, or on the take, because a few have been.

All athletes use steroids because a few have.

All sport bike riders are stunters or criminals, because a few have been.

The police work for the citizens that employ them. It's your right to question the actions of those there to enforce the laws. However, you, as the citizen create the laws that they enforce.

LEO's don't need your respect in order to do their jobs. It's nice to have, makes things a little easier, but not needed.

The professional will do his/her job with or without your respect, and will do it professionally.

I noticed that several of my statements were never directly addressed. When a complaint was filed, I was harassed by other officers in the form of being followed and pulled over without being told why. Please note that a ticket was never issued! Where is the accountability?

 

[Rel]

I noticed that several of my statements were never directly addressed. When a complaint was filed, I was harassed by other officers in the form of being followed and pulled over without being told why. Please note that a ticket was never issued! Where is the accountability?

Are you referring to you last post? Where the only question you asked was: Do the rules also apply to the LEO's?

Asked and answered. Yes.

 

[Traq]

Two posts...both in this thread...claiming they were subject to a conspiracy of harassment!



Don't feed the trolls.

 

[moto-rama]

I have noticed a very high increase in chp and sheriffs vehicles on the road ways. Noticed that is not just a higher presence but they are also pulling over a lot

You must not be in SF, Oakland, or San Mateo county. Whenever I see a traffic stop, I do a double-take to make sure I am not seeing things.

I think there must be a new policy in SF, Alameda and San Mateo, (and CHP) all LEOs must not be seen, or pull over crazy drivers, you must allow drivers to run amock all over the place scaring the shit out of Jim every time he leaves the house...

 

[mmama]

Two posts...both in this thread...claiming they were subject to a conspiracy of harassment!



Don't feed the trolls.

Before judging, have all the facts. A friend that was a LEO in another department in the county, confirmed this harassment existed through his contacts. As soon as his involvement with me was known by the offenders, they backed off.

Coincidence, I don't think so.

 

[cyclecyborg]

You must not be in SF, Oakland, or San Mateo county. Whenever I see a traffic stop, I do a double-take to make sure I am not seeing things.

I think there must be a new policy in SF, Alameda and San Mateo, (and CHP) all LEOs must not be seen, or pull over crazy drivers, you must allow drivers to run amock all over the place scaring the shit out of Jim every time he leaves the house...

yeppers, living in san mateo and drive the length of 101 and 280 daily. They were all over 280 and 101, and around 85 up to 380. This past week though there does not appear to be as many chp/sheriffs as there was in the past few months.
Might want to look into a new helmet, yours might be obstructing your view some. It is ok to turn your head to left and to the right to gain better knowledge of your surroundings while riding. Just saying.

 

[NorCalBusa]

You must not be in SF, Oakland, or San Mateo county. Whenever I see a traffic stop, I do a double-take to make sure I am not seeing things.

I think there must be a new policy in SF, Alameda and San Mateo, (and CHP) all LEOs must not be seen, or pull over crazy drivers, you must allow drivers to run amock all over the place scaring the shit out of Jim every time he leaves the house...

This place is never happy.

Hey folks; they are ALL gone- enjoying the cruises they won for tickets written over all summer.arty

Man, what a crowd here....

 

[Traq]

Before judging, have all the facts. A friend that was a LEO in another department in the county, confirmed this harassment existed through his contacts. As soon as his involvement with me was known by the offenders, they backed off.

Coincidence, I don't think so.

Yes, there was a vast conspiracy against you until one random cop in a different agency found out about it and then everything stopped! OR it was all in your tinfoil hat wearing little head!

Your story smells like whiny bullshit and you smell like a cop hating troll. Those are the only facts I need. GOTFSW.