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What will it take to convince you of climate change?

ctwo said:
From the NASA article posted earlier.





And then there is this reconstructed data.

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Funny how the "trend line" abruptly stops at 1900. Hmm. I wonder why.

Maybe because of:

https://climate.nasa.gov/system/time_series_images/1872_gt_1887_720x360.jpg
 
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Gabe said:
https://www.thenation.com/article/environment/florida-flooding-miami/
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If only if it weren't inconvenient for agenda-driven individuals to learn to read...

Florida’s time of climate change denial is over. You can buy mugs in Miami Beach souvenir shops that show a map of the world. Pour in a hot liquid, and Florida disappears. “Climate change is real” appears on the sides of Miami’s buses, and the issue is well covered in the local press
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From the article ^^^

Naah, no one reads buses. :hand
 
nebulous said:
Al Gore said Florida would be half submerged by now. Miami Beach is still just a beach...
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:laughing

Great example.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/miami-beach/article239077713.html


Miami Beach leaders can’t agree on what to do about climate change. But one way to keep the condos dry, at least for now, is to build a buffer between the condos and the rising seas.

That means dumping fresh sand on the beach — $16 million worth.

To push back against erosion caused by sea level rise and storms, four beachfront strips on Miami Beach are receiving a federally funded face lift beginning this week.
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Mike95060 said:
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Great example.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/miami-beach/article239077713.html
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You missed the greater point here: If Al Gore wasn't 100% correct about every tiny detail that will happen 20 years from the future, if he doesn't live in a cave drinking his own pee and eating rodents, then he's a totally wrong hypocrite and everything he says is discredited.

Whew! Thank God! I thought I was going to have to pay AN EXTRA 50 CENTS a fillup! I would have had to trade my 12-mpg V-10 dually for a faggoty 16-mpg V-6!!!! The horror!!!!

So ROLL COAL, BOYS!!!! It's all an agenda-driven CHINESE HOAX!!!

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ctwo said:
It would be really interesting if the GIF displayed data starting from sometime before the common era.
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Couldn't find anything like that in a brief search, but if it was like this chart it should get most any denialist to STFU.

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so what I look at is not just average mean temp over time, but also ocean temp rise, glacial and ice sheet loss and ocean acidity. All seem to be rising and that indicates to me more heat is being put in to the earth.
I see the first issue being dying fisheries seeing as a majority of the planets populations get's their protein from sea life.
Rising sea levels add to the insecurities they will experience.
 
Gabe said:
I'm not here to argue one way or the other...just wondering how much evidence you need to be convinced A) climate change is (has been) happening and B) it was caused by human activity.

I've talked to more than one climate change skeptic who told me that no amount of evidence would ever change their mind. How about you? And if that's the case, doesn't "skeptic" just mean "skeptical of every point of view except my own?"
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Read this before you decide.

https://realclimatescience.com/ :wow
 
mrmarklin said:
Has to be at least as good as Lefty bias.......:rofl
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Dude. Come on. I could literally find a website that supports whatever conclusion I am trying to come to. How about try and finding an unbiased source of info. You know, like science and stuff. When you post shit like this as support for your argument, your argument flies right out the credibility window.


Sorry forgot to add the obligatory :rofl :rofl.

What's with you right wing conspiracy types and the :rofl icon? I mean, I get that most people are literally laughing at you. But do you really think you are funny?
 
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Brokenlink said:
What's with you right wing conspiracy types and the :rofl icon?
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Here's an interesting paper on how conservatives are more susceptible to conspiracy theories:

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/pops.12681

You can get the gist from the first few and last paragraphs. And to stay on topic, climate change is asked in every survey.

"For society, there are many troubling consequences of conspiratorial thinking, including antisocial behavior, hostility against outgroups, rejection of science, decreased trust in government, and a lack of civic engagement "

"For all of these reasons, it is important to understand the sociocognitive factors that shape public belief in conspiracy theories. A number of studies suggest that conspiratorial thinking is associated with paranoia, narcissism, interpersonal distrust, feelings of powerlessness, lack of agency and control, uncertainty, low levels of education and intelligence, as well as “magical thinking,” defined as the superstitious tendency to draw false inferences about causal relationships"
 
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smar...ze-late-october-setting-new-record-180976132/

with winter just around the corner, the Laptev Sea in the Arctic Circle should be starting to form thick sheets of sea ice as temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere plunge. But the seascape looks drastically different this year—it's already late October, and the Laptev Sea still hasn't refrozen, setting a new record for the latest delay in ice formation the sea has ever experienced, reports Jonathan Watts for The Guardian.

"With these newly open waters, direct sunshine was able to warm up the ocean temperatures to more than 5 degrees Celsius above average," Zachary Labe, a climate scientist at Colorado State University, tells Gizmodo in an email. "These warmer ocean waters are slowing the refreeze in the Siberian Arctic now in October."
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https://www.climate.gov/news-featur... 15, 2020, the,observed on September 17, 2012.

On September 15, 2020, the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) announced, Arctic sea ice appeared to have reached its annual minimum extent. At 1.44 million square miles (3.74 million square kilometers), this minimum was second only to the record-low extent observed on September 17, 2012. The 2020 figure—preliminary because a late-season surge of summer warmth could still drop the extent further—continued an observed trend of long-term Arctic sea ice decline.
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Brokenlink said:
Dude. Come on. I could literally find a website that supports whatever conclusion I am trying to come to. How about try and finding an unbiased source of info. You know, like science and stuff. When you post shit like this as support for your argument, your argument flies right out the credibility window.


Sorry forgot to add the obligatory :rofl :rofl.

What's with you right wing conspiracy types and the :rofl icon? I mean, I get that most people are literally laughing at you. But do you really think you are funny?
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I know, Right?

The problem the climate changers have is that all their predictions are based on statistical models and faulty data gathering. I've been in the data gathering and reporting business all my life, so I know what a slippery slope that is. Most of their predictions of doom and gloom are total bullshit. And they have "modified" the data over the years to "correct" errors. Otherwise Obama wouldn't have bought beachfront property, and Al gore wouldn't fly around in a private jet, Right????

Climate changes, no one disputes that. We had the medieval warming period, and the little Ice Age. Not to mention the Global cooling scare of the Seventies. And I suppose one could argue we have been warming up (in general) since the Ice Age 14,000 years ago.
The problem I have is that the scientists, and I use the term very loosely, sitting on their six figure salaries, and seven digit grant money have a vested interest in Climate Change. I totally understand why they can't let go.:rofl

They're trying to measure something in decades that take millennia to unfold and creating a crisis so they can have jobs.

Believe what you want.:x
 
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