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Whatever happened to executing traitors?

kevin 714 said:
there should be no capital punishment
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Agreed for so many reasons:
- It's ineffective as a deterrence
- Proven to be administered unfairly (racially and economically)
- Proven to have executed guilty people (DNA exoneration)
- Costs more than lifetime incarceration (continuous appeals)

The state should have no role in sanctioned vengeance.

Having worked many years in government contracting I avoided classified/cleared work as much as I could. I have never and would never violate the terms, but "national security" work is more likely to cover up wasteful spending, government overreach, and pad contracts than actually protect our country. If you haven't already, you should google "Wen Ho Lee" before you start making claims it needs to be covered by capital punishment.

edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wen_Ho_Lee
Short answer is that after being jailed and having his career destroyed he was ultimately released. In the judge's words:
I have no authority to speak on behalf of the executive branch, the president, the vice president, the attorney general, or the secretary of the Department of Energy, as a member of the third branch of the United States Government, the judiciary, the United States courts, I sincerely apologize to you, Dr. Lee, for the unfair manner you were held in custody by the executive branch.
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mlm said:
Agreed for so many reasons:
- It's ineffective as a deterrence
- Proven to be administered unfairly (racially and economically)
- Proven to have executed guilty people (DNA exoneration)
- Costs more than lifetime incarceration (continuous appeals)

The state should have no role in sanctioned vengeance.

Having worked many years in government contracting I avoided classified/cleared work as much as I could. I have never and would never violate the terms, but "national security" work is more likely to cover up wasteful spending, government overreach, and pad contracts than actually protect our country. If you haven't already, you should google "Wen Ho Lee" before you start making claims it needs to be covered by capital punishment.

edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wen_Ho_Lee
Short answer is that after being jailed and having his career destroyed he was ultimately released. In the judge's words:
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Precisely
 
norcalAF said:
milley's call was october 2020, nowhere near the last days....
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Curious why it would be an issue for a US General to call a counterpart he has clearly spoken with before. Telling someone "hey, don't worry, we're not going to bomb you. If we do, I promise you'll be the first to know!" doesn't seem that big a deal.

I would imagine this has always happened to a degree and the only difference in current events is the media environment

Kinda like this! https://www.defense.gov/Explore/New...leaders-meet-to-improve-mutual-communication/
Today's meeting was the first time Army Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Russian Army Gen. Valery Gerasimov, chief of the General Staff, have met face to face. The two military leaders have spoken by phone since Milley took office in October to avoid conflicts in military operations and risks of miscalculations.

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The meeting is the latest in a series that began in February 2017 in Baku, Azerbaijan, between then-Joint Chiefs Chairman Marine Corps Gen. Joe Dunford and Gerasimov. Before that, U.S. and Russian military leaders had not met since early 2014 -- before Russia illegally annexed Crimea and intervened in eastern Ukraine. Other meetings have occurred in Turkey, Finland and Austria. This is the first such meeting in Switzerland.
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U.S. officials stressed that the United States does not coordinate actions with Russia. Rather, they explained, the meeting is an effort to ensure that communications remain open. Officials pointed out that even during the height of the Cold War, U. S. officials communicated with Soviet Union leaders.
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I swear, to make news nowadays you just need to think what would make an ignorant, closed minded person angry and just go with it!

This stuff reminds me of the "treasonous" act of copying data out of classified documents and pasting it into an email. That was all the outrage a few years back, but few people know (or cared to point out) that it's actually the official and correct way (trusted download) you are supposed to do it :laughing

But fuck it! HANG THEM!
 
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mlm said:
Curious why it would be an issue for a US General to call a counterpart he has clearly spoken with before. Telling someone "hey, don't worry, we're not going to bomb you. If we do, I promise you'll be the first to know!" doesn't seem that big a deal.

I would imagine this has always happened to a degree and the only difference in current events is the media environment

Kinda like this! https://www.defense.gov/Explore/New...leaders-meet-to-improve-mutual-communication/


I swear, to make news nowadays you just need to think what would make an ignorant, closed minded person angry and just go with it!

This stuff reminds me of the "treasonous" act of copying data out of classified documents and pasting it into an email. That was all the outrage a few years back, but few people know (or cared to point out) that it's actually the official and correct way (trusted download) you are supposed to do it :laughing

But fuck it! HANG THEM!
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clearly you haven't served in the military, the chain of command exists for a reason. china is not an ally. he promised to give a nation advance notice of any presidential level decisions. regardless of who is in the whitehouse, undermining the presidential authority should be taken extremely seriously.
 
norcalAF said:
clearly you haven't served in the military, the chain of command exists for a reason. china is not an ally. he promised to give a nation advance notice of any presidential level decisions. regardless of who is in the whitehouse, undermining the presidential authority should be taken extremely seriously.
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I've likely spent more time working with the military and working with more officer level military than most enlisted people who served a 4 year tour. Not knocking anyone's service but it's a bullshit stance (you wouldn't know because you didn't serve)

I just gave an example stating this has been common practice going back to the Cold War. Even recently with the Russians, who I'd imagine are on the same level as China when it comes to adversaries.

We do agree it would depend on the specifics of the conversation. Unless you have a transcript you can't really make any claims I'll take seriously. Especially since you're effectively calling a long serving member of the military a traitor...over what Tucker Carlson's word?
 
I didn't even know who Milley was before this week, but after seeing Tucker Carlson doing a hit piece on him, I knew he must be a good guy. :laughing

Isn't he the guy who had some uncomplimentary things to say about Carlson's main squeeze?
 
norcalAF said:
clearly you haven't served in the military, the chain of command exists for a reason. china is not an ally. he promised to give a nation advance notice of any presidential level decisions. regardless of who is in the whitehouse, undermining the presidential authority should be taken extremely seriously.
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How about the very real scenario that an unfit president was going to start a war in order to stay in power?

A general who just stood by and did nothing would be rightfully prosecuted.
 
What happened? Probably the same thing that happened to executing murderers.
 
Climber said:
How about the very real scenario that an unfit president was going to start a war in order to stay in power?

A general who just stood by and did nothing would be rightfully prosecuted.
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What war happened this way? What actual facts are you directing us to of events that were either clearly planned or historically documented as an event?
 
Eldritch said:
What war happened this way? What actual facts are you directing us to of events that were either clearly planned or historically documented as an event?
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What is a Fact and what did happen was an attempt to reverse the results of an election. Yeah, it was a valid concern.
 
afm199 said:
If you look back to the WWII and post WWII era, even the traitors who gave the Soviets nuclear secrets were seldom punished harshly, except for the Rosenbergs.
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Yeah and we released Jonathan Pollard. At least give Democrats credit for at least listening to intelligence community and not releasing this scumbag (though Clinton was real close). Only the law and order Republicans allow this weasel to walk away : |

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Pollard
 
Climber said:
What is a Fact and what did happen was an attempt to reverse the results of an election. Yeah, it was a valid concern.
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Still not clear what War or attempt to start a war you are fantasizing about? As far as I can tell that never happened.

:dunno
 
Eldritch said:
Still not clear what War or attempt to start a war you are fantasizing about? As far as I can tell that never happened.

:dunno
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Let's just say, all options were on the table.
Desperate people do desperate things, especially when they are sociopaths who DGAF about anybody else.
 
Whew, boy am I relieved. I thought this thread was going to be about executing people that trade stocks.
 
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