Where's your ....global warming is a myth comments now?

[RRR70]

We don't call it global warming any more, we call it a climate change.

 

[mlm]

See my previous post. I'm concerned about climate change, but you're misrepresenting "facts"

*sigh* I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Record snow falls come from... melting polar ice caps! Where do you think all that water/snow is coming from?! Ice doesn't melt unless it's WARMER than 32 degrees. Scientific fact that no one can argue with.

FALSE.
- Record keeping is suspect. Some areas have snowfall records dating back many years.
- The level of water in the ocean probably has very little to do with the amount of snow. Temperature is likely much more important.
- Ice can melt at temperatures below 32 degrees. (think salt, pressure, and even sun)

 

[Caddywumpus]

*sigh* I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Record snow falls come from... melting polar ice caps! Where do you think all that water/snow is coming from?! Ice doesn't melt unless it's WARMER than 32 degrees. Scientific fact that no one can argue with.

Sea levels have risen 20cm in the past century and 10 of that has been since 1980. Some of those billions of tons of ice that are now floating and/or melted in the arctic and antarctic waters were there for over 10,000 years. It's called permafrost for a reason.

I'm not doom and glooming it by any means, but it is a fact that global temp is rising or ice that's been frozen for 10,000 years wouldn't melt. Higher precipitation levels come from higher moisture levels in the air.

I'm not arguing the point of if it's man made or not, I am arguing that the global temp is rising and saying that more snow away from the polar regions is proof that it's not, that's just ignorance. Sure the earth goes through fluctuations and what causes that is up for grabs. There's even hypotheses with sound data that cite that the earth's magnetic shield is weakening and getting ready to flip poles. During the age of the dinosaurs the earth was a sauna which allowed plants to grow tall and large and gave the earth a higher O2 content allowing the evolution of larger animals. Then the earth went back into an ice age. There was even a "little ice age" just before the industrial revolution..... I would say there's enough data that can point to man as at least a portion of the climate change if not a significant amount of it.

You can worship al gore all you want. Polar Icecaps have refrozen to 110% this year compared to past years.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119387567378878423.html?apl=y&r=179474

 

[deav]

human induced climate change is difficult both to prove and refute. however, in my opinion, to say the human race has not had a lasting and significant affect on the overall balance of the earth and it's systems is dense.

say what you want about climate change, but a drive through the central valley smog in summer can be depressing. i was watching planet earth last night, awestruck and amazed, and then realized how humans are unlike any other creature on this planet. it seems our world is a symbiotic balance with a giant cog in the machine - humans.

 

[mookiera]

human induced climate change is difficult both to prove and refute. however, in my opinion, to say the human race has not had a lasting and significant affect on the overall balance of the earth and it's systems is dense.

say what you want about climate change, but a drive through the central valley smog in summer can be depressing. i was watching planet earth last night, awestruck and amazed, and then realized how humans are unlike any other creature on this planet. it seems our world is a symbiotic balance with a giant cog in the machine - humans.

Say what you want about humans. . . dense, wasteful, uncaring. . .
Still, some of my best friends are humans.

 

[Gragorin]

More nuke plants + desalination facilities..

I agree and I think this is where most green movements get it totally wrong too. New pebble-based and/or standardized reactor designs are much safer than the one-off designs of old and cheaper to run.

As for global warming, the planet can absorb a vast amount and it has natural cycles as well but it can only take so much..

 

[Caddywumpus]

I agree and I think this is where most green movements get it totally wrong too. New pebble-based and/or standardized reactor designs are much safer than the one-off designs of old and cheaper to run.

As for global warming, the planet can absorb a vast amount and it has natural cycles as well but it can only take so much..

Agreed. we should become more efficient, and shift away from non renewable energy sources. However, we should not hamstring growth while doing it.

 

[corrupt]

global warming is a myth comments now?

So many people were talking about how it's a myth with all the snow we had on the ground in areas that has never seen snow in living memory. But here it is in January and it's as high as 75 degrees in some places. I wonder what's changing the weather patterns so drastically

I believe that most people who talk about "myths" and "global warming" and bring up anecdotal evidence really have no idea what they're talking about, and I see it as a waste of time to really engage anyone in such conversation, 'cause I'm not a scientist with data either.

 

[Ozymandias]

You can worship al gore all you want. Polar Icecaps have refrozen to 110% this year compared to past years.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119387567378878423.html?apl=y&r=179474

What's with the insults? Al Gore had nothing to do with my statements. Again I didn't say that humans have anything to do with it, I said that it's happening. 110% isn't going to make up for the 500% (not factual number) that we would need to make up for what was lost in the past 10 years. And that article says nothing about 110% refrozen, where are you getting that fact?

Where's the 110% of this freezing?

http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.j...7294876&grpId=3659174697239132&nav=Groupspace

FTA: A huge ice shelf, measuring 5,282 square miles (13,680 square kilometers), has begun to collapse because of rapid climate change on Antarctica.

Please note, that was in March of '08 which it is starting to get colder there at that time of year.

 

[tzrider]

- Ice can melt at temperatures below 32 degrees. (think salt, pressure, and even sun)

Ice and snow can also sublimate, phase changing from solid to vapor without first melting.

 

[Ozymandias]

See my previous post. I'm concerned about climate change, but you're misrepresenting "facts"


FALSE.
- Record keeping is suspect. Some areas have snowfall records dating back many years.
- The level of water in the ocean probably has very little to do with the amount of snow. Temperature is likely much more important.
- Ice can melt at temperatures below 32 degrees. (think salt, pressure, and even sun)

True, there's always a chance of clerical errors.

I never said anything about the level of the ocean related to the snow. I said that the melting icecaps/ice shelves are giving us more atmospheric moisture which turns into rainfall/snowfall. That will eventually end up in the ocean.

True, but that also kind of backs my point up to a certain degree. It's still warmer than it has been for 100+ centuries through whatever affect causing that ice to dislodge and melt.

 

[Dr. Evil]

global warming is a myth comments now?

So many people were talking about how it's a myth with all the snow we had on the ground in areas that has never seen snow in living memory. But here it is in January and it's as high as 75 degrees in some places. I wonder what's changing the weather patterns so drastically

It couldn't possibly be the behavior of a system so large and complex that adjectives like "colossal," "mind-boggling" and "staggering" are laughably inadequate to describe it's scope and scale, one with variables that include everything from hills to oceans to stars, one so inscrutable that even with all the tools at our disposal, we still do not fully understand it in its natural state, let alone with the variables that our own presence introduce...

 

[Caddywumpus]

Theres other factors to consider besides simply the globe is warmer. Since 1998, global temperature has actually steadily decreased. 98 was a peak year, and if i recall correctly a mega el nino year. What about prevailing winds across the icecaps? that would influence melt. theres literally thousands of factors. some places are warming up. some are cooling. Also take into account most temperature is measured in URBAN areas. Temperature change is less drastic in rural areas.

 

[mlm]

It's not clerical error so much as the fact we have measurements for such a relatively short period of time. There are methods for inferring past weather, but they are limited, and definitely can't compared directly with modern weather records (e.g. record high low and precipitation reports)

Never heard of any reports of glacial melting going straight into the atmosphere, or even having anything to do with it. Sublimation was the process I was thinking about, but pretty sure the majority of melting ice goes directly into the sea.

Bottom line is that there is no hard proof of climate change. Plenty of anecdotal evidence that I find convincing, but it's not a definitive argument.

BTW: How the fuck do you measure "global temperature", and what method have they been using to measure this over the past 1000 or so years? The reality is that there is debate about how they've been measuring it over the last 10 years. I'm not saying this to discredit the theory of climate change, just stating the facts as I know them.

 

[Valgar]

This is kind of cool, like watching muslims and christians go at it.

 

[Caddywumpus]

This is kind of cool, like watching muslims and christians go at it.

in bed

 

[Valgar]

in bed

With a Jew.

 

[Holeshot]

global warming is a myth comments now?

So many people were talking about how it's a myth with all the snow we had on the ground in areas that has never seen snow in living memory. But here it is in January and it's as high as 75 degrees in some places. I wonder what's changing the weather patterns so drastically

Global warming leads to HEAVIER rain/ snowfall. It's the reverse of what many think.

 

[doosty]

polluted water seems like the killer. people are dying around the globe right now because their water is contaminated. our lakes are vanishing. look around. lake shasta for example. that shit is a trip.

 

[stigeon]

i blame El Nino

click the play button in the black box on the right. it's Hank, so there's cussing.