Hope you have a lot of time. Endless crashes filmed on that corner.
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Which Problem(s) Caused This Crash
- Thread starter ALANRIDER7
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Hope you have a lot of time. Endless crashes filmed on that corner.
Outta Control
Renegade Drone Pilot
I am just amazed on the number of crashes on that corner. Granted I've been through there just once on my K1200 and was going at a fairly good pace as it was practically empty all the way to the top. I never knew how notorious that curve was and can't imagine for me to crash on that curve with an 800+ pound bike.
dtrides
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Ok, after watching (too) many videos the thing I keep hearing/seeing is the throttle being picked up right before they go down. I see other poor habits as well, but I vote poor throttle control as primary contributor....Carry on...
DT
DT
Outta Control
Renegade Drone Pilot
Being there only once I would say it is a combination of factors. Once a rider has made the sharp right turn into the series of S-turns you get into a rhythm of speed and lean angle, then you approach that turn and it may catch riders off guard as they realize they maybe,
1) going much faster than they feel comfortable for the turn
2) not realizing the sharpness of the tighter radius of the turn
3) to some at least, target fixate at the edge of the road or guardrail
4) lack of skill to dealing with surprises like that.
1) going much faster than they feel comfortable for the turn
2) not realizing the sharpness of the tighter radius of the turn
3) to some at least, target fixate at the edge of the road or guardrail
4) lack of skill to dealing with surprises like that.
louemc
New member
What points out their deficits is they crash, and it's captured on video.
Riders that can process the info of what they see, into telling their bike what to do, to do the job at hand....aren't crashing.
It's not difficult (or shouldn't be difficult) to do this, any street bike is capable enough, to do that road. Even that bagger Harley was doing it OK.
The only reason a bike ends up in a self (no other vehicle involved) involved crash is the rider just hasn't a clue on what they are doing, or how to do it.
All the needed info is there...but....if the brain doesn't know what the eyes are tellin the brain, and the message is stopped there, or rearranged there, the muscles aren't doing anything right.
And perfectly awesome bikes go crunch skreetch bang...
I still say it's the result of riders thinking there is nothing to riding a bike. They will get the hang of the few difficulties, while taking it easy.
A license is proof that they are good to go, no reason for professional instruction/coaching/practice in safe place to be practicing.
They harbor their delusional thinking, till the bad thing happens.
The ZX-10 rider was on the front brakes, you can see the spokes turning slower and slower..what a nimrod...and it's so common..
doing braking on a public road (not like a track you go round and round on) and there ya are, Ya saw the corner, Ya didn't brake down to the safe for you speed before ya start turning, then Ya have second thoughts about the safety of your speed, and ya start braking.
The more you brake the sketchier ya feel so ya must need to brake more, it's worse than ya thought.
Problem is that's eating up traction you need for turning.
Till ya eat up more traction than there is for any turning.
Now is it any wonder the camera is there?
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boney
Miles > Posts
I understand your reasoning. I certainly understand why there's a camera there. I'm just saying that there's something to this corner that isn't present in any of the other corners on Mulholland that is catching those who are susceptible to whatever outside influence or conditions exist there. I wonder what that is?
I'm not going to pretense that everyone who crashes there is a bad rider or has no clue what they're doing. I'll be the first to admit that I've been caught off guard by a few corners here and there. I'll also admit that my reaction to being caught off guard wasn't always the proper move. If making a mistake while riding a motorcycle makes someone a "bad rider" in your eyes, then I suppose you probably don't come across any good riders. In fact, show me someone who rides a motorcycle and professes they have never made a mistake and I'll show you someone who is lying through their teeth.
louemc
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I come across gobs of good riders. Several of the best are BARF'rs that come up to the Sierra, and lots of travel'rs that are seasoned touring types visiting the Sierra while in California.
Your over stating things..Never made a mistake? Never is a long time and there are mistakes and there are mistakes.
Wadding a bike into the guard rail cause Ya can't do a simple thing like go around a turn in the road, is more than just a mistake.
But...there is no point in butting heads on this issue...I know I'm not crashing on more challenging roads than that one...and I know why.
I also know that there are riders that are gambling with staying up, and seem to be willing to do that,....until the shocking surprize of a crash happens.
Several members have stated the same perception I have on these Mulholland crashes.....and some members still think it's the road or some mystery boogy boo, spook freak that jumps out and bites a perfectly innocent victim
boney
Miles > Posts
But...there is no point in butting heads on this issue...I know I'm not crashing on more challenging roads than that one...and I know why.
Several members have stated the same perception I have on these Mulholland crashes.....and some members still think it's the road or some mystery boogy boo, spook freak that jumps out and bites a perfectly innocent victim
Agreed.
And I say we take a trip down there to see what's up first hand.
Marcoose
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I'm changing my mind and now am blaming the illegal aliens. It's all their fault. 
I cannot find what went wrong with the rider in the last video. He had a good lean, the speed of alright, arms seemed loose, etc.
I cannot find what went wrong with the rider in the last video. He had a good lean, the speed of alright, arms seemed loose, etc.
Redlined600
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Locked the front up for some reason.
It's hard to see what these guys are seeing with the camera angle we get here.
Climber
Well-known member
In this one, you can see him pumping his front brake, which was the cause.
I think that what is probably a contributing factor is seeing nothing beyond the guard rail right in front of them and getting scared, causing them to do things that go beyond their skills.
Can somebody post the google link to this corner, I'd like to see the view looking forward that these guys are seeing when they're making mistakes. I believe it's going to be a guardrail with nothing beyond it but air.
ALANRIDER7
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ALANRIDER7
MeowMeowMeow
The primary cause was a poor line choice with too much corner entry speed and not knowing how to push on the inside handlebar and trust his tires.
Locking up the front brake in a panic was the secondary cause.
angelsndevils
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I just don't get it. I sit here watching the videos and I can't figure out how somebody can suck ass so bad. I'm so tempted to ride there just to see the spot for clarity. Every video seems like the riders are stuck in Limp mode.
tzrider
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stangmx13
not Stan
cuz the riders that make it through the corner well dont make it onto the website....
louemc
New member
There is a different course of action, though.
Be thankful you live where the Bozo concentration is thin. So thin, camera's aren't posed, knowing action is going to happen.
This corner is just one place on the Mulholland Drive. Other places have the Bozo's that can't stay on the road, sliding across the road, and if an oncoming car is crossing that sliding path..it's a head on Collision.
That is a possibility for You or anyone on their bike, to be taken out, by a Bozo.
So it's a bad idea to go where the Bozo concentration is at it's thickest.
The thing about that curve and rnickeymouse is that he posts most of the individual crashes he films, usually one ever couple of weeks. He also does an once-a-month compilation of the riders who actually look good or interesting on the turn.
Between what I assume are 5-10 crashes per month, there are probably thousands of riders who successfully navigate that turn, whether they are dragging knee or just putting along.
While I have spent many hours analyzing the crashes, the cause is simply this: the curve is too wide open to scare mediocre riders into slowing down.
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