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Wikileaks blocked?
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Hold on, you do not know what Kevin reads? You do not know Swedish law. But you're "pretty sure" that what you read on CNN amounts to more than "a broken condom." That's some logic...
I too do not know what Kevin reads, but his posts seem to carry more sense than you have to say. Why? Perhaps because he does some research before actually opening his mouth:
- Mr. Assange has not been formally charged with a crime. Period. He's being sought as a witness to what can be described as sexual misconduct as defined under Swedish law. The lack of the actual arrest warrant makes it hard to extradite him to Sweden.
- In Sweden consensual but unprotected sex can be viewed as rape. This is something that may not be frequently enforced, but it is still a law on the books.
Wikipedia's article on Mr. Assange has about 152 citations. Go enlighten yourself.
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tzrider
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Are you serious? Enlighten myself by relying on a wikipedia article?
I've read plenty of news sources on the charges against Assange. They're all over the map, really, but there's more to it than a broken condom. For one thing, most sources agree that the situation involves two women and three separate incidents, two involving some form of sexual assault and one of coersion. Shall we believe that Assange purchased a defective box of condoms and the things broke two times?
For a little light reading: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nges-2-night-stands-spark-worldwide-hunt.html
That article goes into more detail about the cast of characters than most. It casts plenty of doubt as to whether Assange is guilty of a crime, but the allegations go quite a bit beyond a broken condom.
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Are you serious? Enlighten myself by relying on a wikipedia article?
I've read plenty of news sources on the charges against Assange. They're all over the map, really, but there's more to it than a broken condom. For one thing, most sources agree that the situation involves two women and three separate incidents, two involving some form of sexual assault and one of coersion. Shall we believe that Assange purchased a defective box of condoms and the things broke two times?
For a little light reading: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nges-2-night-stands-spark-worldwide-hunt.html
That article goes into more detail about the cast of characters than most. It casts plenty of doubt as to whether Assange is guilty of a crime, but the allegations go quite a bit beyond a broken condom.
Well, this is a miracle that I did not expect, but thank you for proving my point.
- I have not suggested reading the Wikipedia article alone. Note how I referenced the 152 citations from various news sources. You can comb through those sources yourself to find out the truth behind the sex scandal and the allegations.
- Daily Mail. Really? The world's largest tabloid?
Neither you nor I have intimate knowledge of Swedish law. However, one thing is known for sure -- the guy is not charged with a crime. This means that he's innocent until he is proven guilty regardless of what tabloids have to say about him.
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At the request of a few (non-poster) PMs, I have amended one of my earlier posts.
However...
I've worked for 18 years in nonprofit reproductive health care. I personally worked with two young females who had been victimized by a (in the U.S. illegal) trade; one was 16, HIV-positive, and had been a "worker" since she was 12... In terms of her native culture such acts were legal and accepted, but she was most certainly conflicted.
The thought that some folks believe that the rights enshrined in our Constitution should only be granted to U.S. citizens, or to those within our borders, undermines everything I believe. Those girls were victimized by foreigners who would have been arrested for their acts in their home countries, but because *they* were not residents thereof they were seemingly "fair game," in spite of the ethical and moral implications.
I don't necessarily agree with wikileaks, but I see it as my duty as a U.S. citizen to give EVERYONE, regardless of citizenship or locale of presence, all the rights I enjoy. Anything less seems to me to be rules-lawyering.
However...
I've worked for 18 years in nonprofit reproductive health care. I personally worked with two young females who had been victimized by a (in the U.S. illegal) trade; one was 16, HIV-positive, and had been a "worker" since she was 12... In terms of her native culture such acts were legal and accepted, but she was most certainly conflicted.
The thought that some folks believe that the rights enshrined in our Constitution should only be granted to U.S. citizens, or to those within our borders, undermines everything I believe. Those girls were victimized by foreigners who would have been arrested for their acts in their home countries, but because *they* were not residents thereof they were seemingly "fair game," in spite of the ethical and moral implications.
I don't necessarily agree with wikileaks, but I see it as my duty as a U.S. citizen to give EVERYONE, regardless of citizenship or locale of presence, all the rights I enjoy. Anything less seems to me to be rules-lawyering.
Wow, Amazon released an e-book with Someone is selling a book on the Kindle store containing excerpts from, and commentary on some of the cables.
Oh boy, are we mentally ill.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2010/12/09/businessinsider-amazon-heres-why-were-not-hypocrites-for-selling-wikileaks-book-2010-12.DTL
Oh boy, are we mentally ill.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2010/12/09/businessinsider-amazon-heres-why-were-not-hypocrites-for-selling-wikileaks-book-2010-12.DTL
tzrider
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What you have said, especially the last paragraph, makes a ton of sense.
Yeah, too bad for both of you that international law doesn't work like that.
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I guess if you're an international citizen you can now kick back and feel good about yourself, then...
In the meantime, real citizens of the U.S. will continue to stand for those values.
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I really don't see how you think that a non-US citizen not located in the US has any protection under US law for actions taken by non-US entities.
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"(N)on-US entities?" I think you're very confused...
tzrider
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Not really. Who has done anything directly to Assange that violates US law?
Paypal cutting him off? Nope. Within their rights to do so.
The US Government for pressuring financial organizations to put pressure on him? No, they are pursuing a criminal investigation and convinced the parties involved that it's founded. His questionable status as a journalist doesn't protect him from the crimes he's being investigated for.
We can go on like this if you'd like, but I'd suggest we agree to disagree. It's clear we're very far apart on this and many other things.
machete
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jesus! best post so far. thanks for being cordial fellas.
forget the little things that he's being accused of, and that governments everywhere are shitting their pants, cause they are being judged.
what I want to know, is what this "thermonuclear" memo is, that he threatened to unleash, if he didn't "make it".
speculations?
JFK assasination stuff?
aliens?
Obama's real birth place?
How many licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie Roll Tootsie Pop.
If Cobb's totem falls at the end of Inception.
Was Janet Jackson in on the boob slip incident.
Why some parents give girls, boys names and boys, girl names.
machete
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Caddywumpus
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MORE!!!!!
the location of WHORE MOUNTAIN.
machete
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dear lord baby jesus, please let something happen to Assange!!!!!
