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Pacific Track Time Debuts All-New Timing System

Actualy I think you can chose to not have your lap times recorded. You will still have an identifacation sticker so the staff would know if you have paid and what group you would be riding in.
 
Hey triple man,

I think you have the wrong TDP! This deal is about as simple as it gets but if you would rather stand in a reg line every time you do a trackday then I can see where you might not like this system. Of course by all means don't forget to bring that lap timer!

This deal was pretty cool imho, all you had to do was walk over to a lap top with a scanner thing next to it and all your lap times for the day would come up on the screen. I worked with serval different riders today in various groups and it was really helpful to look at the times and see if we were making any progress. I see this being a great learning tool in the future. I wish we would have had it during the Fast Way Around Thunder Hill schools.

So if you wear a lap timer and time yourself at a track day does that make it a timed event and cancel your insurance?
 
My bike insurance only covers me at a trackday as long as it's not a timed event.
This would invalidate it. :(


A Trackday is still considered a learning event to practice skills. It is NOT a race. Only something like AFM,WSMC,WERA races would be considered not covered.

Another nice thing about the RFID system is its automatic and you cant check it until after your done riding. It can be distracting having your lap timer in your view, because you will want to check it and that takes your eyes off the track.
 
My bike insurance only covers me at a trackday as long as it's not a timed event.
This would invalidate it. :(

Your insurance company does not know its a timed event unless you tell them. If that would cancel your insurance why would you tell them.
 
Trackdays are not a timed event. Period. My ZX-10R has an OEM installed on-board laptimer that I can choose to use in order to gauge my progress at a trackday. I also have an AIM laptimer I can velcro to the top of the triple clamp. The RFID tag is no different. The ability to monitor your laptimes and hopefully learn what's working and what's not working is part of the "learning" you're doing at a trackday. The simple fact that you have the ABILITY to collect information about your laptimes and track your learning process does NOT make it a "timed event". A timed event is a race against other riders or against the clock (like autocross).

Nice job PTT and Zoomius! :thumbup
 
The RFID tag is for checking that you're out in the right session, not for laptiming! What kind of idiot would build a timing system with RFID? Madness!

Oh, we also record (down to the thousandth of a second) the time difference between each time we check that you're out in the right group. And you're perfectly entitled to look at how many times we checked your group assignment in each session, and how long it was between each check. You know, just to make sure we're getting it right.

( :laughing for those that don't know me)
 
The RFID tag is for checking that you're out in the right session, not for laptiming! What kind of idiot would build a timing system with RFID? Madness!)

Classic!

Good work Chris.

Thanks for your help at BW!
 
Insurers can discover if the event was indeed timed, if they choose to look far enough. My insurer has the same caveat: "No speed contests nor timed closed course events". I suppose if you timed it on public roads they'd be SOL. None the less, yes, insurers have investigators who do an investigation on every claim, it just matters how thorough they are. Don't forget: it's up to them to decide if they want to void coverage and the claimants to fight that case. Good luck...

However, I don't see that they'd even get that far here and if they did, they'd void the policy for a myriad of other reasons listed in small print. The timing wouldn't be the backbone of the issue (IMO), but it is an exposure to a policy. That being said, in no way would that keep me from attending on of Micheal's days. One of the things missing from trackdays has been the ability to get times without the aid of a lap time. My "B" bike doesn't have a timer and this makes it real easy to test setups, etc on that bike. The best part is the times are online and available for customers to get even when away from the track (Right Chris?). AWESOME! The absolute BEST part is none of that "I did a 2:05 at thill" bullshit...now it's "prove it or shove it"!

Good job PTT and Zoomius!!!!! The value add here is killer!
 
The RFID tag is for checking that you're out in the right session, not for laptiming! What kind of idiot would build a timing system with RFID? Madness!

Absolutely pure madness! ;). I even checked the intarweb and found an article from years ago that RFID wasn't accurate and I believe everything I read on the intarweb... :laughing

Speaking of madness, the AMB system failed during one of my races - would you happen to know in how many other races this "flawless" system dropped the ball? I have to admit, my frustration probably pales in comparison to dude who binned his racebike, lost the transponder and now has to buy another one on top of fixing the bike... Somehow the "inconvenience" of placing the two tripods for the RFID system on the side of the track doesn't seem so terrible anymore.
 
Absolutely pure madness! ;). I even checked the intarweb and found an article from years ago that RFID wasn't accurate and I believe everything I read on the intarweb... :laughing

Speaking of madness, the AMB system failed during one of my races - would you happen to know in how many other races this "flawless" system dropped the ball?

As was discussed elsewhere, the failure had nothing to do with the transponders, and everything to do with the track's infrastructure.
Given other issues associated with Buttonwillow's infrastruture (bumps, bathroom lights, trashcans, getting someone to take your ice money, etc.) it shouldn't be surprising.

Speaking of madness, I best get clear cups so you can tell when a beer is really dark :twofinger
 
I think it's great they have this new timing system, my head hurts from reading the first post though. Pretty much par for PTT though, take something simple and make it real complicated. Which class am I in again, Track Master Pro level 2 or B? LOL

Hey triple man,

I think you have the wrong TDP! This deal is about as simple as it gets but if you would rather stand in a reg line every time you do a trackday then I can see where you might not like this system. Of course by all means don't forget to bring that lap timer!

This deal was pretty cool imho, all you had to do was walk over to a lap top with a scanner thing next to it and all your lap times for the day would come up on the screen. I worked with serval different riders today in various groups and it was really helpful to look at the times and see if we were making any progress. I see this being a great learning tool in the future. I wish we would have had it during the Fast Way Around Thunder Hill schools.

So if you wear a lap timer and time yourself at a track day does that make it a timed event and cancel your insurance?

Please re-read my first post (above) and see if make sense to you, I think it's great you have a new timing system, your reply to my post (also above) only talks more about how great the new timing system, I got that.

Stating Pacific Track time/PTT 13+ times in one-single post is a bit over kill for the end user, such as myself. Here is the same post taken apart, it's very confusing and hard to read for some of us:

Pacific Track Time...RFID Titan Timing System....RFID stick-on transponder....PTT....Pacific Track Time...Pacific Track Time...With Zoomius TITAN RFI...PTT can track and manage all their attendees in real time, providing an enormous opportunity to boost customer satisfaction," said Chris Keane, CEO of Zoomius, PTT... TITAN RFID...PTT...Pacific Track Time...RFID timing system...Pacific Track Time...said Michael Earnest, General Manager of Pacific Track Time. Titian Timing system...PTT...PTT events!

For more information on the system or to sign-up for an upcoming event, be sure to visit www.pacifictracktime.com.


I'm really not trying to bang you guys, just wish you made things easier to read and digest, that's all.

All the best,

Michael
 
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Sorry man, I guess I can see where it could be some hard reading for some folks. It would have been easier to just say,

Heys duds we have this new system that's all pimp and shit. It makes every thing real easy. You should all come out and check it out!

I don't quite get your original post. Our groups are the basic A, b and C. Not B- or B+ and not master level what ever so I'm not sure what you mean by saying that it's par for PTT to always make every thing hard.

I didn't mean to sound offencive and I can see wear the OP sounds like a winners circle plug how ever that is exactly what it is. Chris is proud of his new system and Michael is really stoked to be able to offer it all of you riders. Things are tuff these days and anything extra we can give back to the riders is what will set us apart from the other TDP's. There are a lot of great Track Day companies out there and we are trying to give you the riders more bang for your buck.

So please try not to take offence.

Hope to see you out there some time this year. Stop by the tire stand and say hi. We usualy have some chilled Red Bulls and an ice cold beer at the end of the day!

Pat
Trackside Moto
AFM #31
 
...Heys duds we have this new system that's all pimp and shit. It makes every thing real easy.
Pat
Trackside Moto
AFM #31


In all fairness I may of confused your company with another that did not start out by using A, B, C, but rather some other complicated nomenclature, if that is the case, my apologies. Keeping it pimp and shit, should really boots sales in this economy.

Good luck and all the best,

Michael
 
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No worries man, I thought that other group rating system was a little strange too. I just wanted to make sure you were not confusing Ptt with Track Crafters witch is now Doug Chandler something or other.

I am just a tire guy that works with PTT as well as other Track day companies. There are so many these days that it is hard to keep track of who's who! Not to long ago you were lucky to find a few track days a year now there is one almost every day of the week.

Witch bike is that in your avitar? Looks like a duck but maybe I'm just seeing red!

Keep'er shiny side up!

Pat
 
Absolutely pure madness! ;). I even checked the intarweb and found an article from years ago that RFID wasn't accurate and I believe everything I read on the intarweb... :laughing

Speaking of madness, the AMB system failed during one of my races - would you happen to know in how many other races this "flawless" system dropped the ball? I have to admit, my frustration probably pales in comparison to dude who binned his racebike, lost the transponder and now has to buy another one on top of fixing the bike... Somehow the "inconvenience" of placing the two tripods for the RFID system on the side of the track doesn't seem so terrible anymore.

Greatest read EVAR!!!! This should be turned into a t shirt:rofl. Alex you can wear it to all the AFM events and meetings!:thumbup
 
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Congrats to PTT for being the first to introduce this awsome new system.:thumbup

Just think, everyone who has a lap timer could probably sell it on ebay or something for about the price of a PTT trackday. Good job Michael
 
Sounds like a perfect compliment to PTT trackdays. I know a lot of their riders even in the B/C groups are trying to achieve the best laptimes possible so something like this will absolutely fit their needs.

Im curious as to why the AFM didnt go this route, but also why Zoom-Zoom hasnt done this either since so many people involved with the AFM work for, or own Zoom-Zoom.

Maybe this is the start, congrats to PTT for stepping up. Definately adds value to your trackday.:thumbup

My take on it is that I think some other providers don't necessarily mainly focus on just laptimes so its likely not as attractive. As well for me not running a laptimer allows me to concentrate on other areas of my riding rather than fast laptime and knowing that I"m being timed and that all my friends can look up my times at the end of the day will create a lot of pressure to go possibly faster than I can safely. But hey for some its part of the fun :)

Either way I'm sure there is an option of not being timed, and honestly I think this is a great match up for PTT, good job guys :thumbup

The absolute BEST part is none of that "I did a 2:05 at thill" bullshit...now it's "prove it or shove it"!


:laughing
 
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Pacific Track Time has just become the first major track day provider in the world to enlist the use of the all-new RFID Titan Timing System to aid in providing the ultimate track day experience!

All riders will be provided with the RFID stick-on transponder about the size of a mailing label. As a result, each and every lap time will be automatically archived and viewable in the PTT database for customers at any time. Times can be viewed throughout the day, on your PDA or can be printed out at after the event. Simply sign into your personal Pacific Track Time account online and all your lap times are available for viewing!

"We're delighted to be working with Pacific Track Time to help them with their event management. With Zoomius TITAN RFID PTT can track and manage all their attendees in real time, providing an enormous opportunity to boost customer satisfaction," said Chris Keane, CEO of Zoomius.

PTT continues to be the leader in the track day industry and the TITAN RFID system is a prime example. No longer will rider’s need to purchase expensive personal lap timers. Additionally, with all lap times archived in the PTT system, riders are able to view their individual progress after each event they attend with Pacific Track Time.

“We are constantly trying to find new ways to add value to our rider’s experience. Supplying each rider access to their personal lap times will bolster a better track day experience. By implementing the RFID timing system Pacific Track Time will be providing a more organized and efficient event,” said Michael Earnest, General Manager of Pacific Track Time.

In addition the Titian Timing system will substantially aid PTT in an easy and pain-free trip through both registration and technical inspection. This real-time track control is the same spec used by several major racing organizations to provide seamless timing and scoring during large-scale professional races. And it will now be available for all riders at PTT events!

For more information on the system or to sign-up for an upcoming event, be sure to visit www.pacifictracktime.com.

good deal!
 
Sounds like a perfect compliment to PTT trackdays. I know a lot of their riders even in the B/C groups are trying to achieve the best laptimes possible so something like this will absolutely fit their needs.

We trying to help our riders acheive the most out of their trackday. If a fastest lap is what they are looking for then we are happy to help but that's not all we do. We are trying to help riders acheive their goals and safetly as possible. Speed is nothing without control.


I think some other providers don't necessarily focus on just fast laptimes so its likely not as attractive. As well for me not running a laptimer allows me to concentrate on other areas of my riding rather than fast laptime and knowing that I"m being timed and that all my friends can look up my times at the end of the day will create a lot of pressure to go possibly faster than I can safely. But hey for some its part of the fun :)

Just to inform you Yody, the lap times are not displayed publicly. The way you view them is to go to www.pacifictracktime.com and login to your account. Once you login you can view your times there. Best advice is don't even think about being timed if you don't want to, then at the end of the year you can go back and see how you have progressed over the year.

Remember that lap times are not the only thing this system can do. Chris Keane of Zoomius has created one hell of a system and eases all the mundane aspects of trackdays (like regestration). There are so many possibilities with it that in the trackdays to come it's only going to get better and easier but, like most things you have to be there to enjoy it.

Either way I'm sure there is an option of not being timed, and honestly I think this is a great match up for PTT, good job guys :thumbup:laughing
 
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