JesasaurusRex
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f*ckin cop bashers, it's not JPMs fault that 99 percent of cops give the 1 percent a bad name
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Oakland police department says motorcycles are heard before they are seen
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Desmodromic
Captain Slow
Bashing? There is a difference between a negative factual information towards a group vs. negative rants of a subject that holds no water.
"A motorcycle is heard before it is seen"
Ammm... "Sounds" pretty clear that Officers can have a piece of motorbike safety equipment that is openly being denied to the public. No one is asking for a gun, bat, bullet-proof vest, etc.
I don't know about you but I would like to be heard before seen as much as possible.
*note my bike is in full factory form*
1.) Subject has nothing to do with anything other than cops and exhausts.
2.) Sounds like the motorbike cops can use (a piece of motorbike safety equipment) after market exhaust. The excuse for the public not to use it is: "Because I said so".
3.) Complaining about problems. Instead of writing off complaints as "rants" and "bashing". How about some humility that maybe some actions and laws have been done incorrectly (or bias)?
4.) There is talk of a small number of bad apples making the large (mostly upstanding) majority appear less than favorable! I can think of another group victim to this type of unjust and undeserved perception.
"A motorcycle is heard before it is seen"
Ammm... "Sounds" pretty clear that Officers can have a piece of motorbike safety equipment that is openly being denied to the public. No one is asking for a gun, bat, bullet-proof vest, etc.
I don't know about you but I would like to be heard before seen as much as possible.
*note my bike is in full factory form*
1.) Subject has nothing to do with anything other than cops and exhausts.
2.) Sounds like the motorbike cops can use (a piece of motorbike safety equipment) after market exhaust. The excuse for the public not to use it is: "Because I said so".
3.) Complaining about problems. Instead of writing off complaints as "rants" and "bashing". How about some humility that maybe some actions and laws have been done incorrectly (or bias)?
4.) There is talk of a small number of bad apples making the large (mostly upstanding) majority appear less than favorable! I can think of another group victim to this type of unjust and undeserved perception.
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Jack the Smack
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Also loud pipes sound awesome, on any bike.
masameet
Rawr!
So how many of you want to bet that the "OPD has illegal pipes!" issue will resurface on BARF and the same arguments will be raised and the end result will again be cop bashing (and probably by the same guys)?
Those pipes have been on the OPD motors now for nine months. Don't like it? Then voice your complaints to acting Chief of Police Howard Johnson. Last June I chatted with him briefly just before the OPD motors did maneuvers on Hegenberger. Some OPD officers walking or riding by hailed him by saying, "Hey, Chief!" He was in civvies so I asked him what his official capacity was. (Deputy chief.) I even took his photo.
Brown81
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So how many of you want to bet that the "OPD has illegal pipes!" issue will resurface on BARF and the same arguments will be raised and the end result will again be cop bashing (and probably by the same guys)?
Those pipes have been on the OPD motors now for nine months. Don't like it? Then voice your complaints to acting Chief of Police Howard Johnson. Last June I chatted with him briefly just before the OPD motors did maneuvers on Hegenberger. Some OPD officers walking or riding by hailed him by saying, "Hey, Chief!" He was in civvies so I asked him what his official capacity was. (Deputy chief.) I even took his photo.
Wow.
Where are the usual douches claiming that you can't hear a bike behind you because the exhausts are pointing the "wrong way"? Man, can you imagine being a moto cop in Oakland? Let 'em have any advantage they can get! If it were up to me, they'd be on CBR1000s, with aftermarket exhausts. It would help with esteem issues, and more dimwits would think twice about trying to run from 'em.
Desmodromic
Captain Slow
I'm not bashing but I would like my prev post replied to... I think there are legitimate issues there. I'm not for not letting officers have more safety while riding, If anything more! I would love for them to have protective jackets/pants and maybe a full-face helmet?
I think what the riding public would like is to also be allowed to have a safety measure that is advantageous to all motorcyclist
I think what the riding public would like is to also be allowed to have a safety measure that is advantageous to all motorcyclist
Brown81
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Desmodromic
Captain Slow
If you question, you bash.
You are a cop basher.:|
I thought that kind of "judgment" was usually reserved for the Church?
So, I guess no real answer... just do as u are told.... !@$ pigs
masameet
Rawr!
Oh, please.
To question is obviously not to bash. But for a BARFer go off on a tangent by presenting his personal grievances/history with cops/etc. is bashing. And then to rant some more when one BARF LEO offers laws and his personal opinion and to bag on him is more bashing.
Just like the story of the Triumph thief -- this thread became a "cops are bad" thread. What's the point of that?
I can understand BARFers wanting to chime in with their personal experience with cops. But honestly how germane is their bad experiences with whatever story is presented? To say, It happened to me so I'm sure it happened to that guy, is so not even close to reality.
To question is obviously not to bash. But for a BARFer go off on a tangent by presenting his personal grievances/history with cops/etc. is bashing. And then to rant some more when one BARF LEO offers laws and his personal opinion and to bag on him is more bashing.
Just like the story of the Triumph thief -- this thread became a "cops are bad" thread. What's the point of that?
I can understand BARFers wanting to chime in with their personal experience with cops. But honestly how germane is their bad experiences with whatever story is presented? To say, It happened to me so I'm sure it happened to that guy, is so not even close to reality.
louemc
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Not disagreeing just adding my experiences.
I hear a bike coming up between the lanes before I see it, when I'm in my cage. I hear the bike and then look for the bike, and if I can, move over to give the coming bike more room.
When I was on my Harley, leaving "The Wall" hard on the gas, a few corners later, A CHP bike cop falls in behind me and pulls me over. When he see's the noise came from the same Screamin Eagle pipes he has on his Harley, he says have a nice day.
Cops have never given me grief, been pulled over but, after a little chit-chat, I'm on my way again. (OK there have been a couple exceptions, but big deal, that's another story).
Desmodromic
Captain Slow
I don't believe I had referenced any personal circumstances I have been involved with, in this subject matter. Maybe loosely with #4 (on my list) but I think that issue is a lot more wide spread outside the Moto community. BTW, is a huge problem.
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Blind_Io
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Good question! So glad you brought that up.
The difference is that Psychologist are self-policing and call out their own. Not just for sleeping with patients but for any other violation of the law, or the stricter ethical code.
Go find a copy of the APA newsletter and turn to the back page, there you will find a list of all the licensed therapists who have been slapped for an ethical or legal violation, their license number, the infraction, and their punishment. If you call the APA you can find out about the past violations of any current or former licensed therapist.
So, when police departments start a similar response to allegations I might change my opinion.
It's interesting all the allegations of "cop bashing" - and it's something that I addressed in my earlier post. I am not talking about my personal bad experiences with cops, I'm talking about the results of psychological studies - quite reputable and ground-breaking ones at that. This is Psych 101 stuff - about as basic as it gets. If you put a person in a position of power, they will abuse it. This is a well established fact. If you want to argue with this, then please cite a study that shows otherwise.
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masameet
Rawr!
Won't cite, as I really have no interest in psychotherapists.
Now with cops, that's a whole different culture. Code Blue = Code of Silence. And if a cop breaks rank, he's forever branded a snitch and nobody wants to work with him.
Odd, huh? Cops want honesty from the citizens they stop and apparently between themselves. But some cop does a bad thing and gets caught, and if other cops have first-hand knowledge as witnesses, then a Mafia-like omertà descends on them.
But this discussion is about the alleged hypocrisy of one local motorcycle division and its use of aftermarket pipes.
Nothing we say here will change those pipes back to stock. That's my point. You want to argue that cops don't follow the laws that they're expected to uphold, fine. According to the California Vehicle Code, CA cops are exempt from several laws. Aftermarket pipes don't seem to be part of the exemption. If a motorcyclist wants to challenge the use of OPD motors using non-OEM pipes, then that sounds like a court challenge to me, not an online argument rehashed every few months.
Now with cops, that's a whole different culture. Code Blue = Code of Silence. And if a cop breaks rank, he's forever branded a snitch and nobody wants to work with him.
Odd, huh? Cops want honesty from the citizens they stop and apparently between themselves. But some cop does a bad thing and gets caught, and if other cops have first-hand knowledge as witnesses, then a Mafia-like omertà descends on them.
But this discussion is about the alleged hypocrisy of one local motorcycle division and its use of aftermarket pipes.
Nothing we say here will change those pipes back to stock. That's my point. You want to argue that cops don't follow the laws that they're expected to uphold, fine. According to the California Vehicle Code, CA cops are exempt from several laws. Aftermarket pipes don't seem to be part of the exemption. If a motorcyclist wants to challenge the use of OPD motors using non-OEM pipes, then that sounds like a court challenge to me, not an online argument rehashed every few months.
Blind_Io
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Well, instead of coming into a thread and complaining about the content, you are free to visit one of the many other threads that won't raise your blood pressure.
In short: if you don't like it, don't participate. If you do participate, don't complain about not liking the content.
As far as I'm concerned it's not off topic to discuss the greater hypocrisy of law enforcement in a thread about a specific example of an overall trend. Also, I was responding directly to comments made in this thread.
In short: if you don't like it, don't participate. If you do participate, don't complain about not liking the content.
As far as I'm concerned it's not off topic to discuss the greater hypocrisy of law enforcement in a thread about a specific example of an overall trend. Also, I was responding directly to comments made in this thread.
1085One
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You seem to know so much about how cops think for someone who isn't a peace officer.
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Everyone stereotypes; these schemas are cognitive shortcuts that reduce the energy of decision-making. As LEOs are so fond of saying, "Cops are people too," but when it comes to human limitations they suddenly become all-knowing, all-seeing, unquestionable supermen.
Panamahaha
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Why live in that shithole?
I've done plenty of insurance work in that cesspool. Niggaz tossing Molotov cocktails through windows while a poo honkey trying support hiss kids, and put mac and cheeze on the tabled.
Obama will carry your lazy urban asses.
I've done plenty of insurance work in that cesspool. Niggaz tossing Molotov cocktails through windows while a poo honkey trying support hiss kids, and put mac and cheeze on the tabled.
Obama will carry your lazy urban asses.
Don't take it personally.
As an afterthought, maybe you should crack a criminal justice textbook written in the last 10 years or maybe even enroll in a police/community relations course. Whether you agree with it or not, a lot of officers are on record as being stereotypical.
Shaggy
Zoinks!!!!
Who's being stereotypical now? Don't look now, but some of us have Bachelor's degrees in Criminal Justice from real universities (ie: not DeVry). Also, if you were a police officer you'd know that Community Policing is an LD in the academy...