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MOTOGP 2012 Final Preseason IRTA test, Jerez. 3/23-3/25
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I see Dani getting more wins.
Bowling4Bikes
Steee-riiike!
I think every year seems like this. and just about every year, something at least slightly unexpected happens.
take Pedrosa's health. at first it was an unexpected thing. now everyone is assuming he'll be missing at least a few races. but...what if he doesn't, hmmm?
Yamaha is reportedly stronger this year. Jorge won the 'ship in his 3rd year. what happens if Spies, in his 3rd year, finds the motogp groove and starts taking wins on a fairly regular basis?
answers to these questions can only be satisfied by the actual races. which is to say: bring it on!
arty
DaveT319
Marquez FTW
Even before testing began, I had a feeling Stoner was going to repeat. And everything I've seen thus far tells me that he will. I think Stoner is going to win 11 races (and podiums in all the rest), Lorenzo 4, Pedrosa 2, and Spies 1. People are saying the 1000s would help level the playing field for guys like Spies and (before he died) Simoncelli, and while the power may negate the weight advantage that the little guys have, I think the talent of Stoner is above the rest of them at this point. I think it could still be a fairly close championship because when Jorge doesn't win I think he'll do no worse than 4th. But the championship is going to be decided before the last race, and probably after Phillip Island again.
This won't be popular, but I'd really like to see control engines a la Moto2 in GP. That above anything else would level the playing field. Look at the great racing we've had for the last 2 years in Moto2. In many ways I've been more amped for Moto2 than MotoGP because I know the racing is going to be more exciting. GP is close for about 4 laps, and then it usually becomes a parade. But most times in Moto2 it's been a race right to the end, or at least much closer to the end. The GP bikes are marvels of engineering, but obviously some are better than others, both in engine and chassis. Take away one variable, and you'd get closer racing, and it would more come down to who's the better racer than who has the better bike. We all know Rossi is one of the best ever, but with him on a clearly inferior bike he can't do shit. So go to control engines and you'll see who the better riders are. Sure, Ducati could screw up the chassis anyway - that's the part that's holding them back right now - but at least with control engines you wouldn't have Honda having the clear best bike both in terms of handling AND power.
This won't be popular, but I'd really like to see control engines a la Moto2 in GP. That above anything else would level the playing field. Look at the great racing we've had for the last 2 years in Moto2. In many ways I've been more amped for Moto2 than MotoGP because I know the racing is going to be more exciting. GP is close for about 4 laps, and then it usually becomes a parade. But most times in Moto2 it's been a race right to the end, or at least much closer to the end. The GP bikes are marvels of engineering, but obviously some are better than others, both in engine and chassis. Take away one variable, and you'd get closer racing, and it would more come down to who's the better racer than who has the better bike. We all know Rossi is one of the best ever, but with him on a clearly inferior bike he can't do shit. So go to control engines and you'll see who the better riders are. Sure, Ducati could screw up the chassis anyway - that's the part that's holding them back right now - but at least with control engines you wouldn't have Honda having the clear best bike both in terms of handling AND power.
Busy Little Shop
exponential thinker
True... the last Yamaha frame offered to the public that was
engineered with the integrity of their Gp machines was the 1998 R7...
the 2002 to 03 M1 frame had even less tune flex but that all changed
for the better under the recommendations of what Rossi and Burgess
learned over at Honda...
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sidewazzz
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You know what I love?
It's a new season and everyone has the same amount of points. There is going to be some sort of drama like there always is.
It's a new season and everyone has the same amount of points. There is going to be some sort of drama like there always is.
Cause we have seen little to assume the s Yates quo will change?
My main points this year is that Casey will win 7-8 race in route to the title while Jorge wins a couple more, spies wins one, and Rossi wins one at the 3/4 point
I had a different take on why the weights are there.
Colin had complained that there was so a lot of vibration from the engine being felt on the controls. I think the weights are there to address this reason. The weights would damp out the vibration, and possibly change its frequency. They might be trying to change the amplitude and frequency of the vibration, so that this "noise" wouldn't distract Colin's feel on the bars.
TrueFader
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Anyone have input on why Spies did so well when he won? It was at Assen correct? Did he have better race pace from qualifying? Was the weather crappy? What held Stoner and Lorenzo back? What can Spies take from that race and use to gain more wins?
LongGoneJohn
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He had a good start and kept at it. There was no shitty weather or anything. It was a fair and square straight up win.
LongGoneJohn
Gone
It only knocked them wide, in the very first corner, if I recall. It basically moved him back about a second or a little less. That wasn't the deciding factor. Spies won by more than a second.
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Moto2 is not GP racing. Just ask all the greatest racers in the world to go race superstock, problem solved.
I hate Moto2.
if replica helmets didn't cost and arm and a leg, I'd buy that helmet, such a great design... probably my favorite design out of any style right now..
well one of us is wrong, but im pretty sure thats the race jorge and marco were taken out, and jorge remounted to finish 6th while marco remounted to finish 9th or so. both guys were out of the race.
meanwhile casey suffered from chater all weekend long and tire issues, and dani was out from his marco accident.
so no, it wasnt a clear cut victory. he did win thats for sure, and beat casey en route, but there was a lot of extenuating circumstances that added up to the win. the only one ben can really learn from is getting a good start, which he almost never does. and most people including myself said was his achilles heal. that race he did. but the marco/jorge crash was most definaty a deciding factor
the number one thing ben has to do to win races is go 100% from the first turn. you cannot warm up, you cannot get into the groove. to beat casey jorge and dani you need to go 100% from the first second.
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