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2 Piece Suits on Amazon

That Guy said:
Leather Helimot or Zooni. I would trust a crashed Helimot or Zooni suit before I will ever buy Allen Ness, A*, Teknic, Berik, Revit,Dainese, suit again
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That Guy said:
what is your size. I have a crashed rashed Ness suit you can have. Needs repair but was a $1400 suit 4 weeks ago
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Well, new news is that I may be meeting with someone for a Gericke two piece this weekend to check it out and try it on. As for size, I am not sure. My riding jacket is a 44 US, but I am 6'1", 195 to 205, with a 34 or 34.5 inch waste and 34" inseam. That is the most that I know.

I am looking for 2 piece as opposed to one piece, but am open....
Maybe should try to make a run back to Helimot sale this week
 
SirSkankin DBA said:
In the past, my commuting was helmet, riding jacket, gloves, jeans and boots. Usually, for weekend "duty" it was, helmet, riding jacket, gloves, jeans, overpants and boots.

I say in the past, because I need to pay my reg., and am about to start some work on my bike.,
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I am thinking that probably (inflenced by Tim... who has real-world experience with the suit) the proposed Amazon suit is better than what you have now, particularly in the legs area and if you can afford it looks like it would be a step up. A good interim step maybe.

Is it possible that a leather-tailor could reinforce the seams and zippers in the important areas? Maybe that would be cost effective.

Since it seems like there is no particular urgency, maybe keep saving up and looking for used suits. It appears that there are lots out there...You just need to snatch one up in your size when it comes along.
 
Matter of fact, I am going to go one step further. . .
My wife and I bought Fieldsheer Tattoo one piece suits, and Tattoo jackets.
I think that most people would agree that Fieldsheer is, by most accounts, a decent set of leathers.
The stitching on my wife's suit started to fail at the main zipper after less than two years. The stitching on her jacket side failed after less than one month.

The armpit stitching on my $200 suit failed because I was trying to flap my arms and fly when I went over the cliff. The landing was not particularly graceful, and the rest of the suit not only held up, I literally could not find a single scratch, gouge, or nick in the leather from the little pebbles, rocks, and or branches that I landed on. After I cleaned the dirt off of the suit, it remained a nice, unscratched black suit.
So. . . which is better:
the $750 one piece suit that the stitching failed for no reason after less than two years?
the $400 jacket that the stitching failed for no reason after one month?
or the $200 suit that survived a crash and is still going after a very negligible repair to the armpits?
 
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Tim-That CX Guy said:
Matter of fact, I am going to go one step further. . .
My wife and I bought Fieldsheer Tattoo one piece suits, and Tattoo jackets.
I think that most people would agree that Fieldsheer is, by most accounts, a decent set of leathers.
The stitching on my wife's suit started to fail at the main zipper after less than two years. The stitching on her jacket side failed after less than one month.

The armpit stitching on my $200 suit failed because I was trying to flap my arms and fly when I went over the cliff. The landing was not particularly graceful, and the rest of the suit not only held up, I literally could not find a single scratch, gouge, or nick in the leather from the little pebbles, rocks, and or branches that I landed on. After I cleaned the dirt off of the suit, it remained a nice, unscratched black suit.
So. . . which is better:
the $750 one piece suit that the stitching failed for no reason after less than two years?
the $400 jacket that the stitching failed for no reason after one month?
or the $200 suit that survived a crash and is still going after a very negligible repair to the armpits?
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Hrmmm...So, in essence, it sounds like to be a worth while suit for the price...So, I am guessing it is, at least, as good as Bilt or Sedici type suits...

Definitely, something to ponder. I guess I will see how this weekend goes, and re-evaluate after.
 
The suit's "fit and finish" isn't as pretty as others, but the leather is tough, and durable.
If I was on a budget, I would not hesitate to buy another one.

If you want to see my first generation J4B suit for yourself, you are welcome to come up to Santa Rosa look at it.
 
Tim-That CX Guy said:
The suit's "fit and finish" isn't as pretty as others, but the leather is tough, and durable.
If I was on a budget, I would not hesitate to buy another one.

If you want to see my first generation J4B suit for yourself, you are welcome to come up to Santa Rosa look at it.
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If I am up that way, whether I have bought something or not, I would love to take a look.

Something else dawned on me...at the last Libmo meet, a couple of us were discussing "how I remember when Scorpion and Icon were $75 helmets at the AMA races." and now, look where both of them. Better quality, higher prices, and better safety. And, the conversation came from a Bilt Jacket that was there....

So, I guess the question as well is, "How does a new company gain traction vs. the "Veterans" of the industry?" This is not to argue how it fits or purchasing it from the internet without trying it on... I mean, where and how did Helimot start, or Zooni (yes, I know that Juan was at Helimot before) but who were the people that took the chances and built their cred?...We know they make exceptional products, but they had to start somewhere and have people take a chance on them.
 
Tim-That CX Guy said:
The seam wasn't just "tugged on," I was bucked off of the bike, did a full midair flip, and landed flat on my back, with my arms stretched out as outriggers to break the fall. I put the suit under a stress that it's not used to (or designed to withstand). I could have blown out the same seam on any suit.
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Tim-That CX Guy said:
The armpit stitching on my $200 suit failed because I was trying to flap my arms and fly when I went over the cliff. The landing was not particularly graceful, and the rest of the suit not only held up, I literally could not find a single scratch, gouge, or nick in the leather from the little pebbles, rocks, and or branches that I landed on. After I cleaned the dirt off of the suit, it remained a nice, unscratched black suit.
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This is all the same accident? I have had seams fail on suits. But, you sound like you are rationalizing. What do you mean "[not] designed to withstand"? You don't think that race suits are suppose to withstand highsides? Flapping your arms is nothing compared to sliding on asphalt for 50 yards. I would be pretty annoyed if my suit busted open from a highside.
SirSkankin DBA said:
..... I mean, where and how did Helimot start, or Zooni (yes, I know that Juan was at Helimot before) but who were the people that took the chances and built their cred?...We know they make exceptional products, but they had to start somewhere and have people take a chance on them.
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Racers. People who have had leathers before get the independents going. They are not cheap, and you need an experienced eye to see the difference in quality. My Zooni leather is like a fine Italian ladies jacket. It's hard to believe it will do at least as well as the roughest stuff. But it will.
 
Tim-That CX Guy said:
........ so your statement that it is a "no crash suit" is based on opinion rather than fact.
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That's all anyone here has........opinion.

You say the suit is fine. That's supposition based on your personal anecdotal evidence. Not fact.

The fact that a little "arm flapping" tore the seams tells me it's not a great suit. In the future, I presume you'll not do imitations of a chicken or similar fowl when wearing it?
 
clutchslip said:
This is all the same accident? I have had seams fail on suits. But, you sound like you are rationalizing. What do you mean "[not] designed to withstand"? You don't think that race suits are suppose to withstand highsides? Flapping your arms is nothing compared to sliding on asphalt for 50 yards. I would be pretty annoyed if my suit busted open from a highside.
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Yes, same accident.
90 degree angle to cliff, bucked straight up, flip mid air (flapping and flailing to get as much rotation as I could and guiding myself for as flat a landing as possible), landed flat on my back on my back, while simultaneously throwing my arms to the sides to slap the ground as hard as I could to help disperse the impact. This could have been the motion that blew the seams.
Then I slid several feet down brush, dirt, pebbles and rocks. This caused absolutely no damage to the suit or any other seams.

Of note, I also rappelled up and down that cliff several times to get various parts off of the bike before the tow truck lifted it out.
It is also possible that the damage could have happened during those rappels and treks up the cliff.

I don't have to justify anything; I know what this suit withstood.

So, I offer anyone who wants to look at one first hand, come up and look at the suit. I'll show you exactly where the seam went out, how easy it was to repair, and all other good and bad points of the suit.
 
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