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2 teen girls carjack and kill an Uber Eats driver in Washington DC

Thank you.

Clearly others were able to turn it into a discussion point, and perhaps if you said that earlier we could have corrected it.

Sorry my life got in the way of your timetable.

So, what is the relevance of your maturity at the age of 13 to the original post?
 
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You can’t guilt me by claiming you were too busy to provide a proper response when you had the time to write ... which I had no idea what it meant.
 
You can’t guilt me by claiming you were too busy to provide a proper response when you had the time to write ... which I had no idea what it meant.

I'm not trying to guilt you into anything. :laughing

You are free to respond or not to the questions I ask as you see fit, my intent was not to assault your feelings.

And it wasn't a claim, it was the truth.
 
I am not excusing their actions, or claiming that at 13 they could not know what they were doing was wrong. All I'm talking about is the parents culpability, and what punishment would fit the teenagers crimes. I don't think this necessarily says anything about the parents. I don't think that life sentences, which multiple people here have said they want, is an appropriate punishment.
It's complicated.

Parent have 85+% influence (in general) in their kids lives up until around 12 years old, after that, peers have 85+% influence.

Parents can lay down a foundation for their kids to help them make the right decisions after they're 12.

Parents can also stack the odds in kids favor by putting their kid(s) in a school where there is a higher percentage of kids who act in a manner that the parents would like their kids to act.

There are plenty of other factors along the way. I talked to all 3 of my kids extensively as they were growing up about a wide variety of things to lay down a logic structure to help them see how everything in society fits together so that they would have a place on that structure to compare what they later hear from their peers.

If you didn't spend much time with your kids and didn't talk to them, then much of their 'facts' and 'values' will come from their peers, which can be hit or miss.

Also, as a coach, I have interacted with dozens of kids and I have tried to instill positive character perspectives in them, especially in how to interact and treat others, in addition to teaching them how life works with the relationship between focused effort and results.
 
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It's complicated.

Parent have 85+% influence (in general) in their kids lives up until around 12 years old, after that, peers have 85+% influence.

Parents can lay down a foundation for their kids to help them make the right decisions after they're 12.

Parents can also stack the odds in kids favor by putting their kid(s) in a school where there is a higher percentage of kids who act in a manner that the parents would like their kids to act.

There are plenty of other factors along the way. I talked to all 3 of my kids extensively as they were growing up about a wide variety of things to lay down a logic structure to help them see how everything in society fits together so that they would have a place on that structure to compare what they later hear from their peers.

If you didn't spend much time with your kids and didn't talk to them, then much of their 'facts' and 'values' will come from their peers, which can be hit or miss.

Also, as a coach, I have interacted with dozens of kids and I have tried to instill positive character perspectives in them, especially in how to interact and treat others, in addition to teaching them how life works with the relationship between focused effort and results.


I wonder if sports and martial arts has a bigger impact on kids lives than we realize then.
 
One example does not a trend make.

I kid, I do think PHYSICAL ACTIVITY is good for kids, but not the sports worshipping people they turn into.

But yeah sports may sort some people out but tons of pro athletes are some of the worst actors in society.
 
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to say I think pro athletes are all the best role models but can't quite see that tons of them are the worst actors in society. I can go along with "several of them are pretty bad."
 
Yeah like Aaron Hernandez! Sports sorted him out.

Big missing component in your comment: he came from a a real shitty family.

From a perspective as a parent and a coach, like Climber, there’s a few things to consider. Sports are expensive. At the martial arts schools I teach at, tuition is $150/month. There’s equipment, getting to class, etc. these kids parents are INVOLVED in a positive way - I know because I interact with them. They’re good people.

Aaron Hernandez’s dad was involved, he also beat the shit out of his family. He was a violent piece of shit.

On the flip side, there are apathetic parents - those who just exist and don’t do anything and can be equally as damaging. I have met some shitty parents, and worry about how it’s all gonna play out for their children. Most likely, not well.

Every once in awhile you get the exception, but definitely, loving involved families, education, sports and yes, having heroes and role models is all positive in a kids life. Like I said, I’d love to get a glimpse in these girls’ family life.

I look at all the psychological stuff parents carry with them - positive or negative - almost like genetic traits. Messed up parents, messed up family life, messed up kids. Some kids are exceptions, and they make movies about those kids. For the most part, they end up in prison, on drugs, or dead.
 
I wonder if sports and martial arts has a bigger impact on kids lives than we realize then.

Watch. The Video. I posted.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to say I think pro athletes are all the best role models but can't quite see that tons of them are the worst actors in society. I can go along with "several of them are pretty bad."



Many, perhaps even most, come from violentized backgrounds, and are steered away from it by the offer of extreme wealth. This mostly works, but not always.
 
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Aside from it not being in some people's nature, it shouldn't be a requirement for people to have to learn to defend themselves in a modern civilization.

It's a reflection on how fucked up this country has become that in this day and age the subject would even be a thing.
 
I think every person and child should learn to defend themselves, the earlier in life the better.

I agree. My firearms training began when I was 5. It helps one manage perspective very much.

Aside from it not being in some people's nature, it shouldn't be a requirement for people to have to learn to defend themselves in a modern civilization.

It's a reflection on how fucked up this country has become that in this day and age the subject would even be a thing.


This is simply untrue. A modern civilization is only sustained through the power of violence. By not understanding it and being able to participate in it, you simply invite your society to be a victim of it.
 
This is simply untrue. A modern civilization is only sustained through the power of violence. By not understanding it and being able to participate in it, you simply invite your society to be a victim of it.
You'll have to admit that your idea of civilization is not mainstream.

I'd guess that you would have been in your environment in the old Viking countries when they were going out raiding.
 
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