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2014 KTM 1290 Super Duper Duke First Look

CurveSurfer said:
Early reviews suggest the bike is neutered by electronics, and no "race" mode to silence the nanny.

http://www.visordown.com/road-tests-first-rides/first-ride-ktm-1290-super-duke-r-review/23805.html

Others less critical:

http://www.cycleworld.com/2013/10/20/2014-ktm-1290-super-duke-r-first-ride-review-photos/
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this part gives me hope. i was starting to have flashbacks to my 2nd gen fz1 until i read this part:


"Part of me thinks 'I'll be the judge what's enough and what's too much, thank you very much' but at the same time, I can forgive the fact that throttle inputs are diluted because that’s easy to get your head around and makes for an easier bike to ride. A jerky or snatchy throttle is almost impossible to work with and at best a pain in the arse, at worse, downright dangerous. I'll take control over outright power, every day of the week."

the snatchy throttle on the fz1 completely ruined what was otherwise a perfect bike for me. the power delivery was similar too - not much going on most of the time until you were in the "highly committed" range of throttle opening.

but on the flip side, i think one reason people like twins (or dont) is how much more responsive they are at lower throttle openings. like in certain corners, some people prefer short shifiting and some will choose to ride the motor in the top 2k rpm. it sounds like with the way this throttle is programmed, this could appeal to those who perhaps don't like the way v-twins deliver lots of power during mid range rpm throttle adjustments.
 
^^^I'd have to ride the bike to evaluate "snatchy Throttle"...I know they exist.
My Suzuki TL1000R, had one...Total freak show to leave a stop light, at an intersection.

But...After I made up my own exhaust system, and took the bike to Dan Kyle to make a custom fueling map..
..For that reason only....What I got back was as smooth and linear a throttle as they get.

Ergo...Ya don't have to suffer...A pro can make the problem disappear.

Insane power isn't a problem either...The twisty do dad on the right end of the handlebar, gives ya just what Ya ask it to give ya. :thumbup
 
corndog67 said:
You should ride my 950 SM. Its sort of like you ZX10, except less outright power and longer, softer suspension .

It makes me ride like a complete idiot and I dig it. Except it just ate the water pump shaft, and I'll be fix in' it in the next week.
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Thanks for the offer...But I don't ride, someone else's bike...

And I don't let anyone else ride mine. Too much at stake, either way.

And...A different (don't want to use the word strange) bike, doesn't feel good to me anyway...It takes a lot of set-up work, to get it where I want it.

I hope You will make the trip, to these parts, sometime, it would be a :cool blast to IRL meet you and :ride together. :thumbup
 
Deftone said:
^+1.

Fuck electronic rider aids. Leave 'em raw and know your limitations.
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This is the most refreshing statement I've heard, since Josh Hayes said..

Turn it off, Turn them all off, when talking about these "assist's".

I actually find it disturbing, to hear motorcycle riders have been brainwashed into believing that they are better off, relying on this, Computer managed controls than....

Working on, developing the controls application finesse, and sensing the traction limits, and body weight shifts to command the bikes balance and movement...
That are vital to staying safe, on that bike.

If Ya don't have to rely on yourself...You won't learn how to do it.

And, it is far more involved than whether or not, a tire is skidding/sliding or not.
 
Blankpage said:
How do you prevent getting your cape stuck in the back wheel?
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Not difficult, just needs to make sure the chair he's sitting in all day is tall enough it doesn't get under the castors. It takes a lot of work to post in every thread about irrelevant things...though that's an assumption.
 
Blankpage, You have to use your brain :laughing .

Your own brain...That's how your brain gets developed.

Do you really think reading about someone else's workout in a gym, will buff them up?
 
louemc said:
Do you really think reading about someone else's workout in a gym, will buff them up?
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No I don't think my reading about them will have any effect on their buff.

louemc said:
I know how I have to make rapid changes, front to back, and back and forth, as the surface changes arrive, and how looking ahead, alters, what I choose to do, as I use the momentum to serve the arrival.
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I never thought of that but I guess it makes alot of sense if you smoke alot of weed

Be careful out there, don't ride under the influence.
 
^^^ I don't ride under the influence, The ZX-10 is so intense, only intense, focused concentration works for me.

I draw on everything I learned, in decades of dirt/mud mountain trail riding, and the few years of Desert racing, to safely test traction.

There are times when it is safe to test, and recover...then in the non-safe times, Ya already know...and don't have to test.

It paid off, big time on the return from the BARF gathering in Hawthorne Nevada a couple years ago.

Storm cells at the Sierra Nevada passes were dumping Hail and Rain / Lightning, so hard, So much water in the air, (and of course deep on the ground) there were times when everything lost all definition..and was the same shade of grey.

It actually helped, when the lightning flash's reflected off the road, to define the road.

That everything looks the same, would have to be experienced to believe, it.

But if it isn't one thing it is another. And a rush of Euphoria, after getting through, these things. Actually, it's a drug...I'm addicted.
 
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Ok, got the official MSRP for Germany (more or less the same in Europe, depending on the Tax numbers)
Germany is 15.495 Euro incl. 19% Tax. therefor base price is roughly 12.500 ish

if we take those numbers to the US x1.3 +approx. 10% Tax etc…. i come up with a price tag around 18k+++
But the best comes after you bought it, the Power Parts price list reads like a wish list for war lords. Didn't know that a slip on exhaust is in the price range of a pound of cocaine nowadays.
I'd say the few KTM dealers better have large humidors in their storage, they'll need it.
 
Another MCN video with…wind noise. :|

But I still like their reviews and think Michael Neeves is one of the better moto-journalists around. Adam Child is cool too but needs subtitles.
 
It will be interesting when they throw the new BMW 1000R in the mix. Especially with all the goodies such as heated grips , electronic adjusted suspension, etc.
Triumph needs to up their game on the Speed Triple soon to stay in the game. I remember a semi-naked Triumph powered bike that knocked my socks off called the Enigma. While not a standard naked I would consider it over the ones listed on looks alone.
DT
 

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Honestly, while I love my Tuono, all these bikes are awesome and it'll come down to personal preference, a lot of which will be engine character and ergos, and which one speaks to you personally. A lot of the other nits can be fixed with a few relatively inexpensive mods to any of the bikes.

I'm very curious to see if the BWM sells well or not.
 
How much better is the range on the new Tuono? If it near 150 miles that will help. To me 140mi range is the minimum so many bike drop off my radar in a hurry.Great gas millage is one thing BMW usually nails.
DT
 
dtrides said:
How much better is the range on the new Tuono? If it near 150 miles that will help. To me 140mi range is the minimum so many bike drop off my radar in a hurry.Great gas millage is one thing BMW usually nails.
DT
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Totally dependent on your right hand. I've had tanks where I got high 30's and tanks where I got high teens. If you blast around on it, the mileage is awful. But, trust me, you won't care.
 
If It leaves me 10 mi short of a gas station, trust me , I will care...lol.
One of the reasons I sold my VTR 1K Super hawk.:)
 
dtrides said:
If It leaves me 10 mi short of a gas station, trust me , I will care...lol.
One of the reasons I sold my VTR 1K Super hawk.:)
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It's definitely not a tourer.. Looks like 150 miles on a tank is nowhere close to what you'll get, from my online searching. More like 90-120 max before fuel light comes on.
 
I definitely want to take a extended demo on the new BMW and the Ape.
My fuel light comes on at 120 but I still have 1.5 gal. left sloshing around:p
Either of those should make wonderful SPORT-tourers .
I am unclear as to all the fuss about these new naked bikes after owning and living with a Street Triple for 18K mi. I would rater have clean airflow rather than turbulent air flow from a bad windscreen design (my Tiger 1050 was terrible stock!).
DT
 
While some have obviously done it, the TV4 really isn't a tourer, and it has nothing to do with airflow. I find the airflow wonderfully clean on the Tuono and could ride it for days in that regard. The touring challenges on the V4R are: high pegs, relatively low bars, stiff suspension, awful stock seat, difficult to fit luggage, and poor fuel range. Obviously most of that can be overcome with some mods and $, but you will spend coin and you will change the look of the bike a bit in a negative way. That said, if you go on the forums, some have bolted on luggage systems and done some long rides on them. But there are obviously better options than the Tuono for sport touring.
 
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