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2021 Ford Bronco - shots fired

NorCalAthlete said:
I suppose if I had to pick something to gripe about (aside from the engine) I'd say I'm not a huge fan of the dash / infotainment setup, but that'll remain to be seen how I like it in person.
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Jesus, Pete...just come drive my damn truck. There's absolutely NOTHING to worry about with the engine.

Wolf said:
Torn between a base Bronco or a Tacoma
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The question is, do you or do you not think a modern vehicle should still be using drum brakes? That'll answer the question for you.
 
byke said:
I've got two buddies that do that, both have built pretty solid crawlers on 37's with air lockers and dual transfer cases and exo cages with all the jacks and chains and spare and shit mounted all over the place.....then 99.9% of their use is for commuting.
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Do they have snorkels? I love the ones with the snorkels.
 
Smash Allen said:
What benefits do rear disc brakes offer over drum brakes on a half ton?
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Are you seriously suggesting that the only manufacturer still running drum brakes on $45,000 trucks is in the right? :laughing

Yes, I'm sure the rest of the automotive world moved on years ago because disc brakes are worse than drums. I'm sure that's it. Shit, even my fleet's class 6-8 vehicles have left drum brakes behind and that's OEM, not upgraded. What's Toyota's excuse other than being cheap?
 
berth said:
Do they have snorkels? I love the ones with the snorkels.
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my VP commutes in a fully kitted out land rover including snorkels. i lol every time i see it. might be some reasonable explanation (i don’t know - that’s all he’s got?), but the dudes as pretentious and full of himself as they come, so yeah, no.
 
Kornholio said:
The question is, do you or do you not think a modern vehicle should still be using drum brakes? That'll answer the question for you.
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eh... has more to do with reliability and resale value, and whether I'd actually use the bed.
Considering the Bronco just a rebodied Ranger.
 
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Smash Allen said:
What benefits do rear disc brakes offer over drum brakes on a half ton?
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Discs self clean. Wet brakes are less effective. Flood the drum brake with water, and it’s weak for while. Plus the water mixes with the dust trapped in the drum and turns to a slurry, causing all kinds of problems. Take the truck down a boat launch ramp and you’ll know.

Discs can manage heat better. Can be kinda helpful if you’re coming down Grapevine with a max payload.

Discs are more powerful. I know some of the biggest of trucks still use drums. This is only because on a big rig they have the room to make the drums ridiculously large. Which means they can last longer than a disc setup and provide the same stopping power. And since brake jobs are not a $99.95 special at Midas on one of those things, long life is a big deal for them.

Discs self adjust...and while drums do also, they sometimes get jammed up with all the dust that’s stuck inside with nowhere to go and then they stop adjusting. Then as the brake shoes wear, they are farther away from the drum and require more pedal travel. This also is why the parking brake pedal goes all the way to the floor and it still doesn’t hold the truck.
 
Appreciate the answer Rob, thank you :thumbup Launching a boat could be a regular thing and repeated soaking of the drums sounds like it would be a bad idea for the reasons you mentioned. You reminded me I need to figure out the weak parking brake on my 02 Silverado and gave me a great place to start!
 
So what's the advantage of drums? In other words why Toyota still has them? Their trucks cost 30K+, can't imagine the cost factor/margins would make that much of a difference.
 
Wolf;10609786. said:
Considering the Bronco just a rebodied Ranger.
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This doesn't appear to be the case.

I don't recall Ford offering the 7speed manual on the Ranger.
 
UDRider said:
So what's the advantage of drums? In other words why Toyota still has them? Their trucks cost 30K+, can't imagine the cost factor/margins would make that much of a difference.
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Toyota has said for off road reliability. They've defended it pretty hard for the last few years.

Advantages: ummmm..... Third world countries will have an easier time rebuilding them. In theory initial bite but that's not true anymore. Can stop the wheel from building up with mud but thats not really a huge concern either.
 
Parking brake on trucks equipped with rear drums works longer without needing repair/maintenance ?
Both my frontier and Tundra(235k miles now, original rear brakes) with rear drums had/Still has working parking brakes.

Our 4runner parking brake hasn't worked since around 65K miles. Hasn't bothered us enough to fix it though.

I do hate changing pads on the rear drum.

On to Bronco: I am pretty convinced we are getting one late next year once the hype pricing has subsided a bit. (Unless Toyota reintroduces a significantly better FJ cruiser or builds a 4runner that can beat the Bronco). We were pretty set on the getting a wrangler 4 dr early next year. But we like the Bronco. Whatever we get will be very offroad capable, but unlikely to ever go off-road and get dirty :laughing
 
UDRider said:
So what's the advantage of drums? In other words why Toyota still has them? Their trucks cost 30K+, can't imagine the cost factor/margins would make that much of a difference.
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If an automaker can save 5 cents on something they plan to make a couple million of? You bet your ass they’re gonna do it. Don’t know the specific amount of how much more, but discs cost more than drums. Mostly because they require either a separate mechanism for the parking brake or a more complex integrated brake caliper. And some vehicles now just use a completely separate brake caliper for the parking brake.
 
Dubermun said:
I mean how much stopping power are you guys expecting from the rear wheels?
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With a 3500lb tow rating, it’s not such a big deal for the Bronco. But in something like a F-350 towing a 5+ ton trailer? The rear brakes matter. Also partially the reason for dual rear wheel setups on those kind of trucks.
 
RickM said:
Parking brake on trucks equipped with rear drums works longer without needing repair/maintenance ?
Both my frontier and Tundra(235k miles now, original rear brakes) with rear drums had/Still has working parking brakes.
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Do you drive the trucks unloaded most of the time?
 
TheRobSJ said:
I love it. It’s everything I hoped it would look like. I’d put in a deposit immediately, but that Ecoboost engine (either one) is a pretty strong deterrent to me. Was just in the Ford shop today and they’ve got a new 4 cylinder Explorer scattered apart that is getting a brand new cylinder head because of bad casting. The Ford techs tell me it’s been getting worse and worse with the EcoBoosts (4 and 6) with major engine failures.
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That sucks. You have killer credibility with me on this and all car matters and I'm seriously dropping the idea of one based on your experience-based opinion.

Thanks as always Rob.
 
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