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2025 F1 Season (spoilers will be discussed)

stangmx13 said:
Multiple moves under braking is legal-ish when the following car is not attempting a pass. In the Sprint, Oscar's got closest on Lap 11. At best Oscar was within 1/2 a car length. The important part is probably that Oscar looks to fall further back during braking, so its seems silly to think that was a pass attempt. Max closes the door slightly after Oscar falls back - completely legal.

If Oscar had any problem with Max's move, he'd be on the radio and we'd have heard it on the broadcast. But nah, the guy with the best vantage point and most to gain from a Max penalty didn't have an issue.

Max & RB chillin' rent free.
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In the sprint no way was Piastri going to risk a gung ho move, risk too great for not many points.
 
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Lights_Guy3 said:
I was really surprised by how long they took to give the green flag. A lot of teams prepped their car for rain, and they were right, until the delays went on for a ridiculous amount of time. It seems lame that the teams cannot adjust the setup of the car to compensate for changing weather conditions. But rules are rules I guess, everyone has the same decision to make - some gambled and lost, others nailed it.
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Ya this case def seemed like the race directors screwing the teams that chose high downforce setups.

I wonder why F1 limits the parc ferme setup changes so much. You can change tire pressure, front wing, and fuel under parc ferme. But why dont the rear wings have adjusters and include that in the allowable changes. Rear wing adjusters sound like an inexpensive engineering problem. Maybe it something that wouldn't get used often - maybe only in cases like this race - so there's no point in adding the weight.

Also, if everyone can change their setup more, then there's less advantage to guessing correctly. Races could potentially be more processional, not less. But maybe in this case the race would have had more passing if everyone got to switch to low downforce setups for the race.
 
Climber said:
You clearly didn't see what I saw, those kinds of blocks under braking are not legal.

I don't like to see drivers win by being whiny little bitches over anything and everything while at the same time being the worst offender. That's not racing, that's bitch strategy.
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I saw what you saw, everyone else in this thread saw it, the experienced commentators saw it....

No one even hinted at a problem.

The stewards have access to much much more than anyone else and they didn't even investigate.

And like others said, the one person who was most affected didn't even say anything. McLaren as a team didn't say anything either.

It just *might* be possible that you have a super biased view about things. You're a smart enough guy, there has to be a reason why only you see all these violations that no one else does. And you only see the missed penalties when Max commits the violation. Strange, isn't it?
 
HE made 2 moves under braking, perhaps Max has a different set of rules applied to him. It was the only chance that Piastri got in that sprint race to pass him.

Did you see the move he made against Russell under braking? I saw a similar kind of thing.

But, what is the point for complaining when nothing will get accomplished from it?
 
Climber said:
HE made 2 moves under braking, perhaps Max has a different set of rules applied to him. It was the only chance that Piastri got in that sprint race to pass him.

Did you see the move he made against Russell under braking? I saw a similar kind of thing.

But, what is the point for complaining when nothing will get accomplished from it?
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So it's your assertion that the stewards knowingly and willingly do NOT penalize Max when the violations are so obvious and in plain sight?

I'd love to hear the conspiracy theory behind that one.

Is it the same secret group that was sabotaging Perez?
 
Here's the not-a-pass-attempt by Oscar. Notice how Max brakes later and pulls further ahead before closing the door slightly. I suspect that Max had time to think "oh Oscar isn't even trying. I'll take that extra room on entry".

GAJ def seems right here. 1pt really ain't worth it.

https://imgur.com/a/ykJpVgK
 
stangmx13 said:
Here's the not-a-pass-attempt by Oscar. Notice how Max brakes later and pulls further ahead before closing the door slightly. I suspect that Max had time to think "oh Oscar isn't even trying. I'll take that extra room on entry".

GAJ def seems right here. 1pt really ain't worth it.

https://imgur.com/a/ykJpVgK
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Yes but you didn't factor in how much Climber hates Verstappen.

When that is considered properly, Max should have been suspended for showing up that day.



BTW, Climber, this is all in good fun. I don't intend any offense. It's a sport and means nothing. I'm just giving shit the same way I would a guy friend who gets mad at a video game and starts throwing a controller when "this game is broken!! Arg!"
 
Just for the record, I don't hate Max, I do dislike many of the tactics that he's employed over the years and his rush to complain about anything and everything.

It's on a case-by-case basis, but there's many cases. I didn't like Vettels actions either, worst offender, first complainer actions. I didn't dislike Vettel either, I respected his strong actions to be like Schumacher and be heavily involved in the development and evolution of the car. I liked Schumacher, he was the best when I first started watching F1, though I do know that he took some dirty actions to win Championships like intentionally crashing out himself and his main competitor to assure a win, he was ruthless though I don't recall him complaining as much.

No hard feelings, we're both passionate about this sport.
 
Max had to open the corner up. Oscar knew this. Max knew Oscar knew this. Nothingburger indeed.
 
More on what might happen with Horner. Pretty exciting, if true:

 
Just realized that Hamilton, Hulkenburg, and Alonso are the only drives on the grid that have raced pre-DRS F1 cars.
 
Interesting qualifying for Ferrari, Aston finally delivers and RB had a mess.
 
I really didn’t expect this team order. Aston with their high downforce draggy car, sure. But everyone else is all over the place. Some teams have made a lot of progress since Monaco, some maybe went backwards. Crazy.

Damp cold track for the race will probably shake it up more. We may get some passing.
 
stangmx13 said:
I really didn’t expect this team order. Aston with their high downforce draggy car, sure. But everyone else is all over the place. Some teams have made a lot of progress since Monaco, some maybe went backwards. Crazy.

Damp cold track for the race will probably shake it up more. We may get some passing.
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Wind direction f'ing with cars too.
 
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