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95 mpg

Killroy1999 said:
Its a mistake to think that people are buying hybrids and EVs on price alone, same goes for sports cars and motorcycles.
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Agree - Porsche 918 Hybrid Spyder - buy it for reasons other than price.

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Wish I could've afforded one, Nice write up, thanks!

I play the milage game in my fit, what makes it even better is I have a pal who just got one so we can compare/challenge each other.

Welcome to the hippy encampment, your tee pee is over there next to the kombucha tent...
 
Hmm. The Volt's $32K price after the rebate is too much. Doesn't offset the fuel savings in any reasonable amount of time. I'll wait.
 
teg916 said:
The thing that annoys me about this poster is they compare your gas savings to a car that gets 22 MPG. Why not compare it to a comparable car like a Honda Fit or a Toyota Yaris that gets 30 MPG?
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Because the average car gets ~22 MPG.
 
sorry. i'm still not (at all) impressed....
and i'm sick of these companies claiming things like "94mpg" when really its only because the electric motor is doing the work. build me a car that runs on petrol fuel ONLY, and gets 90mpg, and then i'll be impressed. and ~$40k price tag!???!! W T F !??!?! who can afford that?!

last year i realized my MR2 sportyish car was a total waste of money, so i sold it and bought a 2000 Civic HX (high fuel efficiency model). with a few fairly minor aerodynamic mods, i can get an honest 40mpg city, and around 55 to 60mpg on the highway. running on 100% gasoline, no cheating ass hybrid electric plug in bullshit - an HONEST 60mpg. best part about it, i bought the car with 120k miles, it cost me $3k, i have around $4500 all told now, including DMV fees.... lot easier to swallow than a $40k fuckin' Volt. and i'd LOVE to compare cost per mile with the Volt - factor in cost of vehicle and any 'savings' go straight out the window. granted i'm driving a 2000 shitcan civic to accomplish this, but its a commuter car. drive it to work, park it when you're done. deal with it.

the way things are now, nothing prevents a company from making a 99% electric, 1% gasoline powered car, and saying it gets 900000mpg. thats just dumb.

we had the technology over 10 years ago, hell more like over 20 years ago, to get cars to 50 to 60mpg using petrol fuel only. look at the Civic VX, the Civic HX, the Civic HF, all are in that MPG range, and none are hybrids. the problem is americans want their 3000lb car that has 1000 cameras and airbags and heated seats, 4 doors, automatic cock strokers, and all that shit, yet they still want to feel smug when they fill up their gas tank. great, so some coal plant 1000 miles away is putting crap into the air, instead of it coming directly from your car. i cant say i see a lot of benefit or difference from that. if you wanna make the agruement that planet earth would be better off if we all went out and bought $40k Volts, as opposed to all of using driving a vehicle that gets 50 *honest* miles per gallon? i'm all ears.... but the enviornmental impact of building a $40k volt has GOT to outweigh any greenness that the Volt posesses, over simply driving a 10 year old, gasoline only powered car that gets 50mpg all day long.

fuel efficient, petrol running cars are EASILY within our reach, they have been for quite a long time. but we as americans need to be willing to make some sacrafices. the car must be light, small, and not have all the damn gadgets that most americans seem to think they "need"...


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A even a coal plant is cleaner than the equivalent output in gas powered car engines :|
 
mike23w said:
a couple of guys on my team at work both bought prius' last year; and generally seeing a -LOT- more hybrid/EVs on the street.

it's noticeably increased this past year. not sure why. i think adoption is just going to keep accelerating.
hybrid, electric market will be very interesting the next several years.
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Yep. As drivers replace their cars and increasingly have awareness of environmental/societal/energy policy issues they will expand this field as the market explores the 'new standard' - might not even BE one particular solution that becomes universal, due to the size of the conventional driving fleet there probably never will be a big shift over to any ONE technology. More the result of car buyers realizing that if we Keep Doing What We are Doing, We'll Keep Getting What We are Getting.

I went TDI/biofuel with my last car purchase in 2006 and am quite pleased I didn't go the mainstream route, even if it isn't what ultimately prevails - heck SOMEBODY has to help dispose of all that used cooking oil.

Look to improvements in this area as the new platforms embrace a 42-volt standard platform and yes - automated driving assistance - Audi is big into predictive driving efficiency - sort of like the 'front-end collision' sensors to help drivers keep a gap, they (Audi) say networked systems with real-time traffic monitoring could improve efficiency, energy-recovery charging, and safety.

Does make one wonder what the New World Order will hold for motorcyclists though. Thanks for the real-world report on the VOLT - I've started to see them around town here in Honolulu -a place where plug-ins SHOULD be strongly early-adopted since VERY few folks have more than a 30-mile one-way commute. If you could charge at either end of your trip you could drive without ever needing gas.

One variant that looked promising and dissappeared was a small CRX-based plug-in that had a small generator-trailer that could be attached if you wanted more than 40-50 miles of range - I thought it was interesting but I guess nobody else did. Oh well.
 
The Hawaiian islands are a perfect place for a rooftop solar, electric car setup.
 
Hawaiirider said:
One variant that looked promising and dissappeared was a small CRX-based plug-in that had a small generator-trailer that could be attached if you wanted more than 40-50 miles of range - I thought it was interesting but I guess nobody else did. Oh well.
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i never heard about a modified CRX based plug in, but if you got a link or a name, let me know, i'd be curious to check out its history.

check out the "EV-1".
GM made it a few years ago. electric only. EXTREMELY low coefficent of drag. very small car, narrowish but still a 2 seater. perfecto for excellent MPG and/or electric/enegry efficiency. then after a couple years they pulled it from the market. only logical conclusion is that big oil decided that the EV-1 was too threatening to their bottom line. so the idea was shitcanned, and everyone who leased an EV-1 had it taken away. check out the movie "who killed the electric car?" we had a great alternative, there were charging stations setup - it was THERE, it existed - then the powers that be decided it was too good, too much, too soon. and the world's air quality has suffered ever since.
 
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SpeedyCorky said:
sorry. i'm still not (at all) impressed....
and i'm sick of these companies claiming things like "94mpg" when really its only because the electric motor is doing the work. build me a car that runs on petrol fuel ONLY, and gets 90mpg, and then i'll be impressed. and ~$40k price tag!???!! W T F !??!?! who can afford that?!

last year i realized my MR2 sportyish car was a total waste of money, so i sold it and bought a 2000 Civic HX (high fuel efficiency model). with a few fairly minor aerodynamic mods, i can get an honest 40mpg city, and around 55 to 60mpg on the highway. running on 100% gasoline, no cheating ass hybrid electric plug in bullshit - an HONEST 60mpg. best part about it, i bought the car with 120k miles, it cost me $3k, i have around $4500 all told now, including DMV fees.... lot easier to swallow than a $40k fuckin' Volt. and i'd LOVE to compare cost per mile with the Volt - factor in cost of vehicle and any 'savings' go straight out the window. granted i'm driving a 2000 shitcan civic to accomplish this, but its a commuter car. drive it to work, park it when you're done. deal with it.

the way things are now, nothing prevents a company from making a 99% electric, 1% gasoline powered car, and saying it gets 900000mpg. thats just dumb.

we had the technology over 10 years ago, hell more like over 20 years ago, to get cars to 50 to 60mpg using petrol fuel only. look at the Civic VX, the Civic HX, the Civic HF, all are in that MPG range, and none are hybrids. the problem is americans want their 3000lb car that has 1000 cameras and airbags and heated seats, 4 doors, automatic cock strokers, and all that shit, yet they still want to feel smug when they fill up their gas tank. great, so some coal plant 1000 miles away is putting crap into the air, instead of it coming directly from your car. i cant say i see a lot of benefit or difference from that.

fuel efficient, petrol running cars are EASILY within our reach, they have been for quite a long time. but we as americans need to be willing to make some sacrafices. the car must be light, small, and not have all the damn gadgets that most americans seem to think they "need"...


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I'm seeing it very much the same.

Volt has a knee buckling price..I don't want to hear a "with tax credit, rebate"
Chevy..You get the rebate, from the Government..And straight price your car like you have a desire to sell it.

What is the cost of replacing those batteries, when replacement time comes up?..and the vehicle has been deprecating for the number of years it took for the batteries to fail.

This tweeked reality getting hyped, is as bogus as what gets preached at Cult Brain washing programs.
 
^^^^ yuuup

in my rant, i didnt wanna include the fact that the batteries go bad after 10 years, and how they are extremely expensive to replace, and bad for the enviornment. - but its true, and yet another nail in the coffin for the all this hybrid BS
 
Yeah, I had a 1994 ( I think) Honda CRX HF that got a steady 50+ mpg in mixed driving. I remember thinking, "When I replace this car, I bet they'll be getting 70 MPG ! "

Woulda lost money on that bet, and I should never have sold that car - tiny little thing that it was. To be sure, it takes more energy to move more mass and we DO seem to like Massive vehicles, don't we ?
 
wazzuFreddo said:
The Hawaiian islands are a perfect place for a rooftop solar, electric car setup.
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So is California if you don't live where Coastal fog or Valley Tulle fog is.

And California isn't the only state...Can't kick Nevada or Arizona or New Mexico, out of bed, They get Sun.
 
Well, I've put roughly $6500 of fuel into my $2,200 car in the last 14 months. I can certainly see how it might add up, provided the mostly-electric range would cover my daily commute.
 
SpeedyCorky said:
sorry. i'm still not (at all) impressed....
and i'm sick of these companies claiming things like "94mpg" when really its only because the electric motor is doing the work. build me a car that runs on petrol fuel ONLY, and gets 90mpg, and then i'll be impressed. and ~$40k price tag!???!! W T F !??!?! who can afford that?!

last year i realized my MR2 sportyish car was a total waste of money, so i sold it and bought a 2000 Civic HX (high fuel efficiency model). with a few fairly minor aerodynamic mods, i can get an honest 40mpg city, and around 55 to 60mpg on the highway. running on 100% gasoline, no cheating ass hybrid electric plug in bullshit - an HONEST 60mpg. best part about it, i bought the car with 120k miles, it cost me $3k, i have around $4500 all told now, including DMV fees.... lot easier to swallow than a $40k fuckin' Volt. and i'd LOVE to compare cost per mile with the Volt - factor in cost of vehicle and any 'savings' go straight out the window. granted i'm driving a 2000 shitcan civic to accomplish this, but its a commuter car. drive it to work, park it when you're done. deal with it.

the way things are now, nothing prevents a company from making a 99% electric, 1% gasoline powered car, and saying it gets 900000mpg. thats just dumb.

we had the technology over 10 years ago, hell more like over 20 years ago, to get cars to 50 to 60mpg using petrol fuel only. look at the Civic VX, the Civic HX, the Civic HF, all are in that MPG range, and none are hybrids. the problem is americans want their 3000lb car that has 1000 cameras and airbags and heated seats, 4 doors, automatic cock strokers, and all that shit, yet they still want to feel smug when they fill up their gas tank. great, so some coal plant 1000 miles away is putting crap into the air, instead of it coming directly from your car. i cant say i see a lot of benefit or difference from that. if you wanna make the agruement that planet earth would be better off if we all went out and bought $40k Volts, as opposed to all of using driving a vehicle that gets 50 *honest* miles per gallon? i'm all ears.... but the enviornmental impact of building a $40k volt has GOT to outweigh any greenness that the Volt posesses, over simply driving a 10 year old, gasoline only powered car that gets 50mpg all day long.

fuel efficient, petrol running cars are EASILY within our reach, they have been for quite a long time. but we as americans need to be willing to make some sacrafices. the car must be light, small, and not have all the damn gadgets that most americans seem to think they "need"...


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Note the difference between MPGe and MPG.

Is this your Boat-tail Civic with areo tweeks?

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louemc said:
So is California if you don't live where Coastal fog or Valley Tulle fog is.

And California isn't the only state...Can't kick Nevada or Arizona or New Mexico, out of bed, They get Sun.
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Except in Hawaii, you can't easily drive for 100 miles without going in a circle. :laughing I commuted from Waikiki to Haleiwa a bunch this summer, all the way across Oahu, and that was only 80 miles round trip.

(unless you are on the Big Island, there are some distances there)
 
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