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SpeedyCorky said:
The Honda Insight was the closest thing in the recent future, but even it is now close to a 10 year old car. yea its still a hybrid, but its a small, lightweight, minimalistic car, meant for economy, getting from A to be w/o thrills, just a commuter that got SUPURB mileage. i dont see anything comparable in the 2013 line up....
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You didn't notice the stripped down el cheapo Prius C introduced this year? You get 53 mpg for your $18,950 msrp.
 
Zerox said:
You didn't notice the stripped down el cheapo Prius C introduced this year? You get 53 mpg for your $18,950 msrp.
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wow, nope didnt notice that.
its still a hybrid tho *i assume*, and hence, its still a cheating 53mpg.
again, where is my 70mpg, 1700lb car for sub $15k?!

EDIT: and plus, its a fuckin' PRIUS!!!! damn at least let a man keep 1/2 of his dignity and drive a cool looking Insight from year 2000....i mean, at least it look purposely built and designed.... a neutered stripped down Prius .... just hand in your man card when u get the keys :rofl


Tharkûn said:
I have plenty of crash pictures from cars under 3,000 lbs, it's not pretty
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I can imagine motorcycle crash pictures are just as pretty.




some of us are willing to sacrafice a bit of safety for economy. the larger issue is that enough people arnt willing to - at least not considering all the SUVs still on the road. I think if more cars in the USA were smaller, people would feel safer driving smaller cars. I soooo cant wait until gas is $5+ or hell, $8+ a gallon - that will help resolve a lot of these issues and get people thinking differently.
 
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TheRobSJ said:
Cars have had to get heavier to pass crash standards. I think I heard the engineers say that the outgoing C6 Corvette would not pass upcoming crash standards. Leads me to believe that despite the aluminum frame and carbon body parts, the new C7 Corvette may not weigh any less than the car it replaces.
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learn something new every day.
 
Tharkûn said:
I have plenty of crash pictures from cars under 3,000 lbs, it's not pretty
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My brother was in his '87 Honda CRX during a low-speed collision...not pretty, he still has migraines. The car weighed what, 1700 lbs? Doesn't even qualify as a "cage" more like "electric fence." :laughing
 
SpeedyCorky said:
again, where is my 70mpg, 1700lb car for sub $15k?!
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Your probably searching for a mythical unicorn. 70 mpg is possible with a regular ICE, but the ICE is so inefficient, that the car would be a huge step from mainstream, that there would be no business for it.

Kit cars can be light, but usually they have a inefficiency ICE. You would need some aero mods. Downsizing without going to what Americans consider "guttless" is a challenge. Also, I don't think that many people realize all the benefits of hybrids. Its not just re-gen braking. Hybrids allow engines to downsize, but the electric motor provides enough power to keep up with today's 0-60 time marketing (more for bragging rights than utility). Also, hybrids allow power steering, alternators, fans and other MPG sucking accessories to go electric. In the us, motor fuels and roads are heavily subsidized, so people buy cars more for IMAGE (0-60 times) than for utility.

Here are some Automotive X Prize cars that don't have anything on the Volt. Good luck getting down to $15K.
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2-ish Wheeler.

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SpeedyCorky said:
wow, nope didnt notice that.
its still a hybrid tho *i assume*, and hence, its still a cheating 53mpg.
again, where is my 70mpg, 1700lb car for sub $15k?!
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Dude, my Ninja 250 gets 70mpg on a good day, and it's sub-400lbs with a 250cc engine...! I think you're dreaming here. Here is your 1,800 lb car for $13k... but even it only gets 38MPG. Maybe swap in a 250 engine and see if you're happy with a 0-60 time of 20 seconds and a top speed of 65...
 
teg916 said:
If you buy a car that averages 30MPG, and it costs you $15K. You drive 15K miles, at $4/gal is $2000 per year in gas.

You are going to have to do a hell of a lot of driving to justify the $30K price tag on a volt. If you spend $1000 year on gas with the Volt like the EPA estimate says, then you will break even when the car is ready to go to the junkyard.
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Yeah, but the statement the car makes is priceless.
 
sckego said:
Dude, my Ninja 250 gets 70mpg on a good day, and it's sub-400lbs with a 250cc engine...! I think you're dreaming here. Here is your 1,800 lb car for $13k... but even it only gets 38MPG. Maybe swap in a 250 engine and see if you're happy with a 0-60 time of 20 seconds and a top speed of 65...
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maybe my goals are a bit lofty, but its not impossible. and if I were going to use any car body, it would be the EV1 or Insight - that smartcar is a horrible shape for aerodynamics.


oh yea and that pic that guy posted of that crazy aero modifed white boattail civic .... IIRC that thing gets like 80mpg...!


a ninja250 motor in a EV1 chassis..... now you're talkin' !!! :party
 
Hypermiling is retarded. I mash the shit out of my Prius!

06 Corvette > 05 Denali > 12 Prius

Those were my last three daily drivers in order. I love the Prius the most, and I don't miss any of the headache of the other two cars. The Prius is better in all ways. I don't need 400 HP, ever! It was actually likely to get me in trouble quite often. I did like the Denali though... until the tranny started going.

Now the wife has a Volt and I have no regrets. I still prefer my car. Oddly enough, I get better MPG. She has MPGe though.

I do love the naysayers here though. You will all figure it out one day. The value is there and the technology makes sense.

Rob, you're just figuring out what Berto and I seem to have about a year ago. Buy the best option for point A to B, then buy your toys and take them to the track or ride them on the weekend in limited capacity. :)
 
Honda's plug in hybrid Accord is also coming out this year...
 

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Buy a first generation Honda insight and get 60-70 mpg. The car will never rust on you. The car is fugly but it has it's purpose.
 
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Here's my ugly 60mpg car. Oh and I don't drive 55 on the slow lane. More like 80-85 on the fast lane :D Anyone want to buy it? I may be selling it.

 
SpeedyCorky said:
hey now dont hate
http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthread.php/new-hypermiler-2000-honda-civic-hx-23127.html

http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthread.php/my-2000-civic-hx-aero-project-23172.html
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Speedy, I read your Ecomodder thread and the original Insight has a "lean burn" but in order to stay under the NOx limit for the emission rating, the car jumps out of lean burn after a period of time. You need to be going ~>60 MPH and really light on the throttle consistently to get it into lean burn. Some owners add a filter to the throttle position sensor aid entering lean burn mode. When you get knocked out of LB, if you don't change you throttle input, you accelerate ~10 MPG.
 
teg916 said:
If you buy a car that averages 30MPG, and it costs you $15K. You drive 15K miles, at $4/gal is $2000 per year in gas.

You are going to have to do a hell of a lot of driving to justify the $30K price tag on a volt. If you spend $1000 year on gas with the Volt like the EPA estimate says, then you will break even when the car is ready to go to the junkyard.
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I did a whole study of this for a symposium when people freaked and traded their SUVs for Priuses in '08/'09. The average was 20 years to break even on the transactions, assuming a generous resale on the hybrids.
Ducky_Fresh said:
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I do love the naysayers here though. You will all figure it out one day. The value is there and the technology makes sense.
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See above.
Your circumstances must match to make it work.
 
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Johndicezx9 said:
Honda's plug in hybrid Accord is also coming out this year...
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Suffers the same fate as the Ford Fusion Energi. It's based on a nice car, but the EV range just isn't enough for most people's daily needs.

Use up your 20 miles of battery power, then it just becomes a regular (albeit very expensive) Accord Hybrid/Fusion Hybrid.

The Volt's 40 mile EV range doesn't seem like much more especially with pure electrics able to do 80 miles or better. But GM did their homework and a study found that most Americans drive less than 40 miles a day. So that's the range they shot for.

Volt worked perfect for me. Most days I'd drive to work and back and just barely have a couple miles of EV range left so I used zero gas that day. I have a feeling if I owned one long term, and just used it for commute only and used the Corvette on weekends, the Volt would be off its own chart for mpg. The cars mileage computer pegs at 250.
 
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