AB1371 - Another victory the spandex squad

[sanjuro]

Never would have thought I'd see arguments in a motorcycle forum for more regulation and taxation of road use.

You'd rather have bigger government and more laws just to make it "fair" for all of the wear and tear that 0.5hp put through a 1 square inch contact patch can produce? Fucking priorities, people.

I am definitely against paying more money, but even I think cyclists should follow more traffic standards.

At least to the level of your average stunta!

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[Archimedes]

You wanna say boohoo look at the shelter? How about boohoo my 30k per semester tuition that I'll be paying back the next 20 years.

Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. First question, where the fuck did you pay $30k per semester for tuition? Tuition at Stanford is half that. Second question, why the fuck did you ever believe that was a good investment?

 

[babyhuyx]

Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. First question, where the fuck did you pay $30k per semester for tuition? Tuition at Stanford is half that. Second question, why the fuck did you ever believe that was a good investment?

University of Pacific in stockton,
http://www.pacific.edu/Campus-Life/Student-Services/Student-Accounts/Tuition-and-Fees.html

Throw student insurance, fees, ASOUP, blahblah all the other shit they tack on.

second question: At the time of college applications I was pre-med/pharm (undecided), and university of the pacific is bar none one of the BEST pharmacy schools you can get in to. (actually a quick google search found that within central valley, it is the best, and is ranked 48 in the country) And I got accepted so ...
Mid-way through I decided to change majors and went to engineering. And their program was really good, and only required another year, so I just stayed there.

 

[aram]

Lucky bastard... Funny how my graduate school tuition next year is gonna be cheaper than undergrad. Roughly 20k a year for masters in Soft eng
How long did it take before that masters paid off? I'm already a full time salary at Nvidia but the pay is hardly enough to just trickle above equilibrium after rent, bills, food etc.. Bay area housing is stupid expensive

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Just graduated, ask me in a few years. Have an undergraduate degree in econ, haven't worked in the field in a while (worked w/o a degree in a lab programming instruments for a while).

Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. First question, where the fuck did you pay $30k per semester for tuition? Tuition at Stanford is half that. Second question, why the fuck did you ever believe that was a good investment?

Just checked, stanford undergraduate tuition is $42,690 a year. So you're right. Private school tuition isn't cheap though. Super bonus, come from household with less than 60k a year income and it's free (along with room and board), less than 100k a year and there's financial aid.

I found one of my old UC bills from the late 90's and tuition was something like $7500 a year IIRC.

And if he's a software guy and good, 100k+ a year around isn't that big a deal. It could be a great investment. Now paying 20k+ a year to study to be a chef or motorcycle mechanic is another thing.

 

[UDRider]

There have been dozens of articles written about this, but if you want to be fair the formula for a "road fee" should be a function of mass * distance traveled since that corresponds most to wear and tear on roads. Every said article also then points out, the simplest way to do this is to tax gasoline.

Except gasoline taxes haven't gone up in years. Most Americans have no idea how cheap gas here is. When I was in Germany filled my cousins car couple of times... All I have to say is ouch.

 

[Archimedes]

Just checked, stanford undergraduate tuition is $42,690 a year.

No, it's not, it's $14k a semester, or $28k a year. Even with fees, it's not $43k a yar.

 

[Archimedes]

University of Pacific in stockton,
http://www.pacific.edu/Campus-Life/Student-Services/Student-Accounts/Tuition-and-Fees.html

Throw student insurance, fees, ASOUP, blahblah all the other shit they tack on.

second question: At the time of college applications I was pre-med/pharm (undecided), and university of the pacific is bar none one of the BEST pharmacy schools you can get in to. (actually a quick google search found that within central valley, it is the best, and is ranked 48 in the country) And I got accepted so ...
Mid-way through I decided to change majors and went to engineering. And their program was really good, and only required another year, so I just stayed there.

Ok, so it's $20-22k a semester with fees. That's still fucking ridiculous. You could go to Cal Poly for a fraction of that. And UoP is ranked 112 nationally in the latest ranking.

 

[Arsey]

No, it's not, it's $14k a semester, or $28k a year. Even with fees, it's not $43k a yar.

Stanford has a quarter system. 3 x 14,230 = $42,690 plus fees.

 

[babyhuyx]

Ok, so it's $20-22k a semester with fees. That's still fucking rid. You could go to Cal Poly for a fraction of that. And UoP is ranked 112 nationally in the latest ranking.

Again. Originally I was pharmacy. And they are ranked 47 for pharmacy school I believe. not engineering

 

[reidconti]

How can you say it's a sense of entitlement I have as if that is wrong? I pay the fuckin' taxes for the roadway, not the cyclist. It's dangerous is what it boils down to.

Entitled pricks are dangerous on motorcycles. Time to hand in your keys.

Bicycles are not allowed on 101 are they? No, because the speed there is too high and deemed "dangerous" at 65mph. So how does a skinny two-lane road with a 45mph suddenly become safe and acceptable for them to do it on?

So what you're saying is, we already have appropriate laws in place to govern where and when to ride a bicycle. Great, glad to hear you've changed your mind!

Jesus. The level of hypocrisy and failed connections in your 'arguments' is staggering.

 

[babyhuyx]

Entitled pricks are dangerous on motorcycles. Time to hand in your keys.



So what you're saying is, we already have appropriate laws in place to govern where and when to ride a bicycle. Great, glad to hear you've changed your mind!

Jesus. The level of hypocrisy and failed connections in your 'arguments' is staggering.

Funny thing is most of these cyclists probably pay more in taxes than a lot of us here. Hell, some of their road bikes cost more than our bikes brand new! If they can afford that, I'm sure they pay a hefty amount of tax. To assume just because they ride a cycle means they don't pay taxes is stupid and ignorant.

 

[phocup]

Would like to know the actual percentage of guys riding $5-10k bikes ( the ones costing more than motos new ) vs guys riding the sub $300 "fixies" vs other types of bikes on street.

Any of that stats available ?

Not that it matters in the original issue. Just an interesting factoid IMO. My suspicion is it significantly skew toward the latter and similar to the percentage of guys riding DesmoRR and driving F40s.

 

[babyhuyx]

Would like to know the actual percentage of guys riding $5-10k bikes ( the ones costing more than motos new ) vs guys riding the sub $300 "fixies" vs other types of bikes on street.

Any of that stats available ?

Not that it matters in the original issue. Just an interesting factoid IMO. My suspicion is it significantly skew toward the latter and similar to the percentage of guys riding DesmoRR and driving F40s.

Ever see groups of cyclists with spandex riding together in single line form? Most likely their bikes are over 5k. And I see them everywhere, commuting, weekdays, weekends (as far as the bay area is concerned). The biking community is much larger than you think. And road biking is very popular. The price is due to the material and components. They aim to make their bike as light as possible, meaning lots of carbon.

 

[UDRider]

Road Tax?

 

[phocup]

Ever see groups of cyclists with spandex riding together in single line form? Most likely their bikes are over 5k. And I see them everywhere, commuting, weekdays, weekends (as far as the bay area is concerned). The biking community is much larger than you think. And road biking is very popular. The price is due to the material and components. They aim to make their bike as light as possible, meaning lots of carbon.

See plenty of those people but also realize that not everyone is on a Scott or specialty built bike for commuting.

Just because a bike looks nice doesn't automatically mean its $5k-10k. Nice carbon framed steed can be had for $2-3k brand new retail. Which IMO is comparable to a $15k range motorcycle. Which means nice .. but not super premium.

A $10k bicycle in comparison to your everyday $300-500 fixie would in motorcycle term be roughly equivalent to a $60k moto compared to a $2500 beater moto. Hard to believe you see groups of those everywhere regularly.

Which is why I ask if actual hard fact statistics were available.

 

[babyhuyx]

See plenty of those people but also realize that not everyone is on a Scott or specialty built bike for commuting.

Just because a bike looks nice doesn't automatically mean its $5k-10k. Nice carbon framed steed can be had for $2-3k brand new retail. Which IMO is comparable to a $15k range motorcycle. Which means nice .. but not super premium.

A $10k bicycle in comparison to your everyday $300-500 fixie would in motorcycle term be roughly equivalent to a $60k moto compared to a $2500 beater moto. Hard to believe you see groups of those everywhere regularly.

Which is why I ask if actual hard fact statistics were available.

Not that I can find. But you can imagine its the same wtih motorcycles. Why ride a 600cc supersport or a ducati or a liter bike when a 125cc or ninja 250 for 2k would do just fine? But we see a large amount of the former.

 

[MysterYvil]

Going back over just the last four years, I've had a whopping two cyclists be jerks, and another one totally saved my bacon. The rest I pretty much didn't notice. Good odds overall, in my book.

The only thing about the "bubble" that concerns me is oncoming cagers taking over my lane to give cyclists some room as they pass...oh wait...that's happened to me three time before there was any law!

C'mon, we all use the roads for our personal purposes. A little more tolerance, a little less judgment, and a fair whack of patience, and we'll all have a good time!

 

[drabot]

OK, like others said, this legislation seems unenforceable and by itself unlikely to change things as we know it. What if this line of thinking turns to something like the following. All cyclists and motorcycles must maintain a bubble of 2ft when passing a motor vehicle. To most it sounds pretty similar to the measure meantioned in the OP but could have more impact. This would be enforceable. No more filtering to the front at lights. Lanesplitting banned.

 

[Marcoose]

Jesus. The level of hypocrisy and failed connections in your 'arguments' is staggering.

Bingo!

C'mon, we all use the roads for our personal purposes. A little more tolerance, a little less judgment, and a fair whack of patience, and we'll all have a good time!

You're showing your age. Sharing is not part of the young buck's vocabulary.

OK, like others said, this legislation seems unenforceable...

Yes, but it could be a compound situation in court. "You failed to observe CVC xyz, abc, yada yada, and the 3 ft bubble." Cha-chin.

 

[Archimedes]

Stanford has a quarter system. 3 x 14,230 = $42,690 plus fees.

3 quarters in a year? Don't they teach math at Stanford?