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All the sh!t talk about Harley Davidison

I will only say this:

I hated Harley's until I rode one, not for one day, not for a week, for a couple months. Something changed at that point. What you ask?

I stopped complaining about what a Harley couldn't do as well as my sportbike, and started appreciating it for what it does extremely well.

After I opened my mind up to that aspect of it, I started to really appreciate them for what they are. Now I can't wait to buy a Street Glide.

I had the same experience.

Had some AMF harleys and a couple of sporties but had been off H.D.s for at least 10 yrs. In the mean time bought and sold a triumph, K bike, honda and Yami so wanted to try the "new" ones out before buying so rented a soft tail for 2 days. Droped off my TL1000 and rented a Fat Boy in MDR in around '98. By the time I got to the top of Topanga Cyn I came very close to turning around to pick up the TL and let them keep the $. Kept going and picked up a friend in Ventura. Went over 33 2 up then over to the north side to 101. Returned the bike the next day and offered to pay for the floor boards and mufflers which were ground down pretty good. They just laughed it off. Obviously a different bike and experience. When I took my daughter to Death Valley a couple of weeks ago and was on the road 2 up for 6 days the '07 Dyna did a great job. When we head down to Morro bay via 1 in Sept we will be on the Kawi.



Would not sell my Dynas or the ZX10. The '05 Kawi has 70k mi on her and the '01 Dyna has 100k and it was non -op for 3 yrs.
 
Nothing wrong with the motorcycle, it's just the 90% of what rides them. They have no clue of what being a motorcyclist is. Sorry but bar hopping, poker runs, setting car alarms off and dressing like pirates just isn't my idea of some body who truly loves all things moto.

Not sure about that. When I'm riding out of state it seems as though maybe 80% of the bikes I see out there are H.D. See a few Busas, G.S. and of course wings.
 


Harley riders are so slow!

And until you've coaxed a Dyna through Hwy 9 at ludicrous-speed you really don't have a leg to stand on here. It's fun as hell.



Bob Pilgreen AFM #899 rides the piss out of his FXR all throughout the Santa Cruz Mountains.
 
Good. I needed to know what part of your post I had to shoot down. :teeth

Windows machines were crap (but with good software support) up until February 17th, 2000. The Macintosh was crap up until March 21st, 2001.

If you want to go back to the windows 3.1 days, a good argument could be made that OS 7 was sufficiently superior as to qualify as 'not crap.' Though to be honest, neither could hold a candle to the quality of a good Unix distribution at that time.

These days, both Windows 7 and OSX are pretty high quality products. The stability is there, the UI is pretty clean and functional.

This post is crap.
 
buyers of more expensive models with the same functionality as lower end models (in any realm of consumer goods) are always butt hurt.
 
(Except BMW riders who just offend with their riding gear and lack of waving)

When I'm on my Suzukis I don't notice BMW riders wave any less than other non HD brands.

What kind of offensive gear do BMW riders wear?

An Aerostich?

Fabulous product; highly recommended.

I've owned two BMW's but not a boxer, (one triple, two parallel twins), and wear the same kind of gear no matter what brand I'm riding.
 
im buying an HD in about a month... i want a little of both worlds :)

and I dont know if it's been mentioned yet but HD's FI system is actually pretty trick, and they have ion sensing in the spark plugs as knock sensors...
 
And self-adjusting valves. :D

all that + belts = fantastic slab cruisers for gobbling up touring miles

not that they're not fun in the twisties, in a more relaxed way :)
 
I don't understand why self adjusting valves aren't standard on all non-race replicas.

i think the functional rev limit was like 9K for self adjusting hydraulic valves?
 
I know I will never own a HD because I don't need to belong to a sub culture. If I wanted to drag race, I'd buy a Nos/supercharged Busa. If I wanted to slab haul I'd find a RT or LT. If I wanted to fly through canyons I'd get an old retro RD or my STRR. If I wanted to ADV, I'd get a KTM ADV or a GS.

HD ..good for nothing except gaining instant acceptance and it isn't even good at that anymore. The hardtail culture it spawned is nearly extinct. It's time for HD to evolve because its market demographics will soon be too old to ride.
 
When I'm on my Suzukis I don't notice BMW riders wave any less than other non HD brands.

What kind of offensive gear do BMW riders wear?

An Aerostich?

Fabulous product; highly recommended.

I've owned two BMW's but not a boxer, (one triple, two parallel twins), and wear the same kind of gear no matter what brand I'm riding.

It was just a joke :) I had an old friend that rode BMWs and he actually told me alot of the weird little generalizations aimed at BMW riders because I hadn't heard them before.

The first one was perceived smugness :) and the other one was that it always looked like he and his BMW friends all looked like they were going to the snowmobile races when they had a group ride :)
 
It's time for HD to evolve because its market demographics will soon be too old to ride.

I've been hearing this since I was a child. At least 5 of my (closer) childhood friends have bought harley's in the last 5 years. I'm no prophet, but I think it's lies... :twofinger

I'm not that old, but I'll consider "childhood" at least 15 years ago.
 
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I think all the folks caught up in this drama of who rides what bike are missing the point. :x

It's not the damned bike.. if your a drama queen douche bag... You'll be a douche on any bike you choose to ride.. :laughing So who cares what you ride? Right?
 
I've been hearing this since I was a child. At least 5 of my (clioser) childhood friends have bought harley's in the last 5 years.

That's funny, because HD didn't start their new marketing campaign until 1983. So you must be in your 30's or younger (though I am guessing 30's because that is the HD target demographic) or simply unknowledgeable of HD's history? I don't know for sure, just speculating..... myself having grown up amongst the bike culture of the 70's in Oakland and Castro Valley, you know....when most people who rode Harleys were pretty sketched out anyway, and HD was recovered by AMF (which is always a sore subject amongst old guys who I still see) I can tell you with absolute certainty that these guys say that HD has become pussified beyond recognition and "hate" the new era of tattoos and Dyna Glides. They would rather take their shitty, uncomfortable, oily, leaky, slow shovels/pans over rubber mounted bullshit if they could still ride, and THAT is the true spirit of the culture which cannot be resold. Too bad many people cannot see that.

5 childhood friends in 5 years does not make a shift in demographics. Just look at the under 30 people who are buying bikes.


Truth hurts don't it. Oh, and when I owned my BMW /5, there was division amongst the BMW sub culture too. Airheads and K owners...

You must admit the sub culture is strong amongst those two groups wouldn't you agree?
 
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