....and now Loius C.K

[byke]

I like how you're attempting to turn this into consent when I'm asking if these women were able to leave.

Trying to vilify me. Classic move Tyler, classic.

I think you may be either unaware, or not understanding the perspective of how some people react and are doing a little armchair quarterbacking. Remember when that idiot Ben Carson was confused at how people "just stand there" and take bullets? It's hardcore bubble brain.

 

[Entoptic]

Just wait till we start hearing about all the women that do this and their responses.

Look we all like sex. This isn't just a man thing but the media would like us to believe that.

 

[byke]

If you're looking for excuses to nullify a topic, you can certainly blame the media and allow individuals to continue to be unaccountable for their actions.

 

[rsrider]

I would disagree that most of these men did not know that what they were doing was wrong, most people know where their actions stand from a moral standpoint, the filter is usually more of a cost versus benefit issue and sexual issues can often cloud judgement with rationalizations and need if the desire was nurtured long enough.

People in a position of power have a lower cost so the benefit can often exceed the cost, at least in the short term. As some are finding out now, the long term cost could be costly indeed.

Men and women ban be selfish creatures, to the expense of others, when they allow themselves the option of gratifying their wants and desires at the expense of others, often with conscious or subconscious rationalizations or simply glossing over the impact of their actions on others.

Yeah, and you didn't have to work with the idiots I did. They were fucking clueless.

 

[Climber]

Yeah, and you didn't have to work with the idiots I did. They were fucking clueless.

There is something called willful ignorance.

Perhaps with the people you worked with, it was as you believe, but in my experience the vast majority of people know, on some level, that what they're doing is wrong and that their position made it possible for them to get away with things that they wouldn't have under other circumstances, but the self gratification was too great for them to pass up the chance to indulge in it. Some of them probably even told themselves that they were doing their victims a favor.

 

[SFSV650]

The weirdest thing about Louis C.K. is that part of his comedy was warning women about people, well, like him.

That's the part that I can't get my head around either.

 

[TylerW]

Are we going to hang out to dry every single musician who has had sex with a groupie before?

Some of this came to light shortly after Bowie's death, and is something I've been thinking about an awful lot lately. the crux of it is this, that shortly after David Bowie's death, it came to light that he had had sex with a couple of girls who were in their teens when he was in his younger, yet adult years.

Now, we all know, and agree that statutory rape is bad, we have laws about it. Adults wield influence over the young, and when that adult is a rock god like David friggin' Bowie, that's a force multiplier on that influence. yet these accusations weren't coming from the women that he had sex with. Their sex was, as far as they were concerned, consensual, and they had no regrets about it.

For my personal appraisal, despite the agency those women had in having sex with Bowie, I still think that what he did was wrong. Does that mean that I'm gonna throw out all my records? Stop singing space oddity with my wife as a karaoke duet? No, I won't. David Bowie is a human who accomplished amazing things but has also done some messed up things and some really boring stuff that I don't care about. I don't have to like the fact that he abused his influence while thinking that Starman still friggin' rips after all these years.

I don't want to excuse the behavior of Louis CK, or Kevin Spacy, or Harvey Weinstein. What they did was absolutely awful, and has hurt countless people for years. But I'm wondering if going full Milkshake Duck is really the right path forward for our culture when learning how to deal with the cognitive dissonance that someone who we admire is actually human and has done some really fucked up human shit.

I'm not really that different. I mean, I haven't committed sexual assault but I've done somethings that I'm really not proud of and I've hurt people and I have to live with that. And it makes me thankful that my life is not on display for everyone's appraisal on the same level of these entertainers.

I'm glad that this news is coming to light. I'm glad that the misogynistic stranglehold on power and influence in Hollywood is being challenged. I wonder if the scorched earth approach we're taking to it at this point in time will do more harm than good.

 

[Climber]

Some of this came to light shortly after Bowie's death, and is something I've been thinking about an awful lot lately. the crux of it is this, that shortly after David Bowie's death, it came to light that he had had sex with a couple of girls who were in their teens when he was in his younger, yet adult years.

Now, we all know, and agree that statutory rape is bad, we have laws about it. Adults wield influence over the young, and when that adult is a rock god like David friggin' Bowie, that's a force multiplier on that influence. yet these accusations weren't coming from the women that he had sex with. Their sex was, as far as they were concerned, consensual, and they had no regrets about it.

For my personal appraisal, despite the agency those women had in having sex with Bowie, I still think that what he did was wrong. Does that mean that I'm gonna throw out all my records? Stop singing space oddity with my wife as a karaoke duet? No, I won't. David Bowie is a human who accomplished amazing things but has also done some messed up things and some really boring stuff that I don't care about. I don't have to like the fact that he abused his influence while thinking that Starman still friggin' rips after all these years.

I don't want to excuse the behavior of Louis CK, or Kevin Spacy, or Harvey Weinstein. What they did was absolutely awful, and has hurt countless people for years. But I'm wondering if going full Milkshake Duck is really the right path forward for our culture when learning how to deal with the cognitive dissonance that someone who we admire is actually human and has done some really fucked up human shit.

I'm not really that different. I mean, I haven't committed sexual assault but I've done somethings that I'm really not proud of and I've hurt people and I have to live with that. And it makes me thankful that my life is not on display for everyone's appraisal on the same level of these entertainers.

I'm glad that this news is coming to light. I'm glad that the misogynistic stranglehold on power and influence in Hollywood is being challenged. I wonder if the scorched earth approach we're taking to it at this point in time will do more harm than good.

When something goes on for a long time and natural forces have been exceeded, it's often like a rubber band that has been stretched to it's limit, there's going to be an over-reaction requiring a settling down period.

In addition, we now have a media that is making huge profits from blowing things out of proportion and profiting from the over-reaction. Sensationalism has been around for awhile, but it used to be just practiced by a few bottom feeders like Geraldo Rivera but has now been adopted by all levels of media.

 

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Funny guy that Louis C.K., funny funny guy.

 

[Climber]

Funny guy that Louis C.K., funny funny guy.

Bill Cosby was funny also (and he was a LOT WORSE in his actions).

Unfortunately, famous/talent/power can cloud peoples judgement when perceiving these people and their actions.

They should be judged by the same standards that everybody else is, not more and not less.

 

[NorCalAthlete]

Some of this came to light shortly after Bowie's death, and is something I've been thinking about an awful lot lately. the crux of it is this, that shortly after David Bowie's death, it came to light that he had had sex with a couple of girls who were in their teens when he was in his younger, yet adult years.

Now, we all know, and agree that statutory rape is bad, we have laws about it. Adults wield influence over the young, and when that adult is a rock god like David friggin' Bowie, that's a force multiplier on that influence. yet these accusations weren't coming from the women that he had sex with. Their sex was, as far as they were concerned, consensual, and they had no regrets about it.

For my personal appraisal, despite the agency those women had in having sex with Bowie, I still think that what he did was wrong. Does that mean that I'm gonna throw out all my records? Stop singing space oddity with my wife as a karaoke duet? No, I won't. David Bowie is a human who accomplished amazing things but has also done some messed up things and some really boring stuff that I don't care about. I don't have to like the fact that he abused his influence while thinking that Starman still friggin' rips after all these years.

I don't want to excuse the behavior of Louis CK, or Kevin Spacy, or Harvey Weinstein. What they did was absolutely awful, and has hurt countless people for years. But I'm wondering if going full Milkshake Duck is really the right path forward for our culture when learning how to deal with the cognitive dissonance that someone who we admire is actually human and has done some really fucked up human shit.

I'm not really that different. I mean, I haven't committed sexual assault but I've done somethings that I'm really not proud of and I've hurt people and I have to live with that. And it makes me thankful that my life is not on display for everyone's appraisal on the same level of these entertainers.

I'm glad that this news is coming to light. I'm glad that the misogynistic stranglehold on power and influence in Hollywood is being challenged. I wonder if the scorched earth approach we're taking to it at this point in time will do more harm than good.

Good post. And agreed. I still think he’s an amazing comedian, regardless of his personal life fuckups off camera. I mean the fact that we can’t separate work from personal shit is a scary slope to contemplate. We’ve already seen people get fired for social media posts. Even stuff that had nothing to do with their work. In some cases it’s perfectly reasonable (example: openly racist) and in others it’s not (example: Trump supporter in the Bay Area?). We’ve seen how much of a witch hunt things become where no matter how good at something you are or how much good you try to do to offset a past guilt, you can still be villified for it.

How far are we going to take this?

 

[Blankpage]

Bill Cosby was funny also (and he was a LOT WORSE in his actions).

Unfortunately, famous/talent/power can cloud peoples judgement when perceiving these people and their actions.

They should be judged by the same standards that everybody else is, not more and not less.

I never though Bill Cosby was funny

 

[Toast]

If he got consent from the women, then it's okay albeit fucking weird. It doesn't sound like he did it to anyone who did not consent first, and having celebrity doesn't mean he forced anyone to say yes.

"Can I take my weiner out?", "Sure", then full naked and jerking off... Weird and shocking and I'm sure that's not what they expected with him being a comedian but if you say okay, then... You can't really complain.

 

[easter bunny]

He basically confirms that he received consent every time, but regardless, and perhaps unknowingly, took advantage of their admiration for him.

So the guys career is over and he's a social pariah even though the activities were consensual? All because the women didn't know how to say no at the time? I'm not justifying, but I'm baffled how anyone could defend themselves from such an accusation? Are we all going to need 50 shades of grey type contracts to interact anymore? The groupie comparison was spot on.

 

[ScarySpikes]

Some of this came to light shortly after Bowie's death, and is something I've been thinking about an awful lot lately. the crux of it is this, that shortly after David Bowie's death, it came to light that he had had sex with a couple of girls who were in their teens when he was in his younger, yet adult years.

Now, we all know, and agree that statutory rape is bad, we have laws about it. Adults wield influence over the young, and when that adult is a rock god like David friggin' Bowie, that's a force multiplier on that influence. yet these accusations weren't coming from the women that he had sex with. Their sex was, as far as they were concerned, consensual, and they had no regrets about it.

For my personal appraisal, despite the agency those women had in having sex with Bowie, I still think that what he did was wrong. Does that mean that I'm gonna throw out all my records? Stop singing space oddity with my wife as a karaoke duet? No, I won't. David Bowie is a hum who accomplished amazing things but has also done some messed up things and some really boring stuff that I don't care about. I don't have to like the fact that he abused his influence while thinking that Starman still friggin' rips after all these years.

I don't want to excuse the behavior of Louis CK, or Kevin Spacy, or Harvey Weinstein. What they did was absolutely awful, and has hurt countless people for years. But I'm wondering if going full Milkshake Duck is really the right path forward for our culture when learning how to deal with the cognitive dissonance that someone who we admire is actually human and has done some really fucked up human shit.

I'm not really that different. I mean, I haven't committed sexual assault but I've done somethings that I'm really not proud of and I've hurt people and I have to live with that. And it makes me thankful that my life is not on display for everyone's appraisal on the same level of these entertainers.

I'm glad that this news is coming to light. I'm glad that the misogynistic stranglehold on power and influence in Hollywood is being challenged. I wonder if the scorched earth approach we're taking to it at this point in time will do more harm than good.

Generally, we agree, but a few things.
First, there is a chasm of difference between what CK did and what Weinstein did and Spacey did. To me, the punishment should meet the crime. I don't think anyone would think twice if Louis CK had consensual sex with these women, but because exhibitionism is strange, it's a huge news story and his punishment is basically the same as Spacey's and Weinstein.

Second, I really don't like the timing on these. For both Spacey and CK, companies took action before the whole story had come to light. I really don't like the 'guilty until proven innocent, or even guilty even when proven innocent' mindset that these campaigns seem to have.

Basically, Yes, I'm glad that we're starting to see signs that Hollywood will clean up it's act, but watching how this current wave is being used, it looks more like Kangaroo courts then actual justice.

 

[CocoLoco]

To me it’s a “burn a few witches and get on with the sorcery” kind of thing. It’s in vogue to punish sexual predators (even if only perceived) right now. The casting couches will always be in use even if a lull is induced as the result of the current spotlight on the issue.

 

[ScarySpikes]

To me it’s a “burn a few witches and get on with the sorcery” kind of thing. It’s in vogue to punish sexual predators (even if only perceived) right now. The casting couches will always be in use even if a lull is induced as the result of the current spotlight on the issue.

Yup, it's kind of interesting that the industry where the casting couch is used the most has yet to be included in this.

3 guesses what industry that is.

 

[TylerW]

Yup, it's kind of interesting that the industry where the casting couch is used the most has yet to be included in this.

3 guesses what industry that is.

I think it's been coming to light that the casting couch isn't constrained to the porn industry.

To wit, I don't think the porn industry is ready to come clean on these issues yet, nor do I believe that most people are ready to accept the fact that porn stars can be victims of their workplace norms.

Most people see sex industry professionals as subhuman.

 

[ScarySpikes]

I think it's been coming to light that the casting couch isn't constrained to the porn industry.

To wit, I don't think the porn industry is ready to come clean on these issues yet, nor do I believe that most people are ready to accept the fact that porn stars can be victims of their workplace norms.

Most people see sex industry professionals as subhuman.

Yup.

Most people are hypocrites.

 

[72SBC]

Didn't find him funny anyways. No loss to me. Sucks for the women. Sometimes people get so hung up on hanging out with powerful people their self respect takes a hit.