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Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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The focus on race is about division in 2021. It's warming to read accounts that those who are immigrated Americans identify with simply being, Americans. As we all are.!

Let’s be real, some are more American than others. Some are standing outside the stadium catching a chill while others, like you and me perhaps, started on third base with ample warm up time.

What you all are debating is essentially decolonization but in reverse. When Filipino or Chinese or any other Asian minority groups accomplish a quiet assimilation it’s lauded because the ideological challenge is muted. These groups self-support, achieve academically, and don’t project their culture or challenge white hegemony too hard.

The weaponization of the term woke when paired with liberal or whatever pejorative modifier is unoriginal and weak. Woke means acknowledging the negative effects of white supremacy on BIPOC people and the institutional racism that handicaps all parties. Assimilation was violently forced by the mission system and later the state and military. Coercive sterilization of native women in particular up into the 70s. What’s the opposite of woke then?

Denying race (I don’t see race only people!) is a harmful myth. It directly impacts every aspect of our lives every day, minute to minute. It’s a survival strategy for minorities and a warm blanket of absolution for comfy whites to sidestep race.

Most division is purposely fostered by cynical elites using blunt and sophisticated instruments to foment open class warfare, while edging the populace with rhetoric and provocation that drives a false narrative of conflict they are insulated from if and when it happens. :thumbdown
 
Haha! Okay, I’m swayed. :)

How I was introduced to Jollibee was legit at a BARF meet circa 2004. That place will give you the diabeetus tho

:laughing I love me some Filipino food, but Jollibee is awful. I'm still sad the one at 4th and Howard closed down. I was happy to know that it was there being awful every day. :laughing
 
Denying race (I don’t see race only people!) is a harmful myth. It directly impacts every aspect of our lives every day, minute to minute. It’s a survival strategy for minorities and a warm blanket of absolution for comfy whites to sidestep race.

You should be replying to Dion, not myself. You've chosen the wrong member to respond to, given your messaging content.
 
You should be replying to Dion, not myself. You've chosen the wrong member to respond to, given your messaging content.

Perhaps you didn't understand what he was putting out.

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Hahah!

I know him perfectly well, sad to say. I've done my research!
 
:laughing I love me some Filipino food, but Jollibee is awful. I'm still sad the one at 4th and Howard closed down. I was happy to know that it was there being awful every day. :laughing

Well, Jollibee isn't Filipino food. It is a Philippine version of American fast food. It is ok for what it is.
 
Denying race (I don’t see race only people!) is a harmful myth. It directly impacts every aspect of our lives every day, minute to minute. It’s a survival strategy for minorities and a warm blanket of absolution for comfy whites to sidestep race.

It’s pretty sad you’re not looking at real life. Because the reality is, is that I-don’t-see-race comes from a place of love, and not hate.

Your view of race relations is sad, pathetic and false. I didn’t marry my wife as a “survival strategy” - I married her because I love her. Something it seems you don’t understand, or experienced. Love transcends the bullshit you so eloquently put.
 
It’s pretty sad you’re not looking at real life. Because the reality is, is that I-don’t-see-race comes from a place of love, and not hate.

Your view of race relations is sad, pathetic and false. I didn’t marry my wife as a “survival strategy” - I married her because I love her. Something it seems you don’t understand, or experienced. Love transcends the bullshit you so eloquently put.
This.

Of course people will notice what race another person might be, but if it has zero impact on how you view, treat and interact with them then there is nothing but interacting with them as 'people' rather than another race.

There can be general differences in their backgrounds, but that should never pre-color a person's perception of another person. Getting to know them or seeing how they act with others should be the initial basis on how you perceive them.

The problems occur when the basis of a person's perception of another is pre-colored by their race, starting them off with a pre-canned perception of who they are as a person.
 
It’s pretty sad you’re not looking at real life. Because the reality is, is that I-don’t-see-race comes from a place of love, and not hate.

Let's unpack this for a minute. I think that "I don't see race" can come from a place of Love. It can come from recognizing one's biases, realizing that some groups of people have historically been oppressed or marginalized and then working to correct that in whatever small or not so small way you can in your daily life.

I also think that "I don't see race" can come from a place of ignorance. It can be an admission that you don't know, and maybe don't even care to know, what it's like to live as anyone other than yourself. In this context that phrase can be used as a cover for for the lack of empathy.

I'm not going to attribute either one of those lines of thought to anyone here. But I think the distinction is important and something to think about.
 
The weaponization of the term woke when paired with liberal or whatever pejorative modifier is unoriginal and weak. Woke means acknowledging the negative effects of white supremacy on BIPOC people and the institutional racism that handicaps all parties.

Denying race (I don’t see race only people!) is a harmful myth. It directly impacts every aspect of our lives every day, minute to minute. It’s a survival strategy for minorities and a warm blanket of absolution for comfy whites to sidestep race.

Most division is purposely fostered by cynical elites using blunt and sophisticated instruments to foment open class warfare, while edging the populace with rhetoric and provocation that drives a false narrative of conflict they are insulated from if and when it happens. :thumbdown

Well worded bullshit but points for academic an/or neo-Marxist jargon. There IS an actual conflict played out in a million little controversies. It's not false and when its sought to be applied to law, local ,state or national, it's as real as real gets.

And how can something be both blunt and sophisticated anyway?

There is no opposite of woke except the insulting and implied asleep. Only the truly intellectually arrogant can presume that they are so unique, so special that they know what the main of society has in its intents and minds and subsequently hold the superior view. Even while the notions of white supremacy are challenged, historically and culturally disproven, even if not completely released by those who gain by sentimentalizing it, there is no static wall of mean society to tilt against by a REASONABLE person.

Decolonization makes sense to a point, in terms of seeing perspectives, but when you consider we do in fact live in a science-based Euro-centric reality, it truly has its limits. No, all the Europeans aren't going to go home and no, that native people aren't going to all live in tee-pees and huts and live in harmony and nature. No, we aren't going to go over to a matriarchial tribal system because it must beat the one we have.

The most extreme result of decolonisation would be the dissolution of the American constitutional system, because it was birthed by Anglo-centric founders, who are found wanting by the day as the statues come down. This plays into the hands of traditional Marxists. If anyone is using a blunt and/or sophisticated weapon, it's the Marxists using woke-ness to weaken the system we live in for an imagined alternative of "true democracy and social justice." They are definitely fomenting the perpetual stuggle they seek that fosters in the next phase. And our foreign enemies love our internal destruction as well.

All people live in a continuum of time, realization and evolution, not a dichotomy and most people, if asked, would consider woke-ness to be an extreme manifestation of good intentions gone power-mad. Most people think, for example, that the renaming of SF schools in the way it was attempted defied some common sense of process and consideration of everyone involved. Even the mayor, you know, London Breed who is certainly not a cornerstone of white supremacy.

Further, woke is also about gender issues, regarding the male power structure and not just about race. And it has its extreme manifestations when we reach the point that something somebody said in high school is grounds for job dismissal (that Teen Vogue woman).

the simple fact of trying to alter the entirety of society because a tiny number of snowflaky people might have their feelings hurt or feel triggered is the largest flaw of wokeness. I understand and endorse the sentiment to a point, but I also understand that a certain amount of resilience is important for human survival. Everybody cannot win simultaneously. People are not always fair, rational or peaceful in their words and behaviors. At a certain point, you have to let people be people, not expect to legislate everything to an absolute standstill for the sake of some tiny minority. Suspending a kindergartner for making a pointy-finger gun does NOT MAKE SENSE to most people.

As for denying race, the notion of "not seeing race" is a pitiful minority of the left's characterization of the right. It's more of a Stephen Colbert gag than the mostly-abandoned temporary meme among the right. Sure, you still get a few chuckle-heads that try that bullshit, but I'm right there with everyone to call it out.. Most right-wingers are very conscious of race and we have all witnessed that. They will live to rue their decisions to stick with Trump unless we really do fall apart for good as a society because social evolution is not on their side.

I am not denying race, but what people can't handle is seeing beyond, when multi-racial people OR formerly-cited minority groups become pluralities (such as Hispanics in California) that are so substantial that seeking to apply the dichotomy of white dominant society against everyone else is outmoded. So many more people understand this that the stubborn insistence on sticking to it also rankles.

Frankly, we are down to a tiny core of people, most that I know personally are actually in San Francisco that simultaneously defend woke-ness and deny the adoption and decrying of cancel-culture for it's similar extreme attitudes and unrealistic standards of purity filtering.

Your ranks are so very thin that liberals and conservatives alike basically agree on how foolish you all are and that it's a form of extremist behavior. Sure Fox-hounds pounce on it as an issue of conflict, but a lot of worthy Democrats have fallen by its sword as well (Al Franken comes to mind, that guy was well on his way to becoming a great senator imo, even though he had to learn it on the job).

I don't like being confrontational but enough is enough with wokeness. It needs to return to its ivory tower and not be manifested in legislation, comfort animals, constant increases in genders et al. It's whimsical and destabilizing, at a time that we need to unify against Trumpism.
 
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Let's unpack this for a minute. I think that "I don't see race" can come from a place of Love. It can come from recognizing one's biases, realizing that some groups of people have historically been oppressed or marginalized and then working to correct that in whatever small or not so small way you can in your daily life.

I also think that "I don't see race" can come from a place of ignorance. It can be an admission that you don't know, and maybe don't even care to know, what it's like to live as anyone other than yourself. In this context that phrase can be used as a cover for for the lack of empathy.

I'm not going to attribute either one of those lines of thought to anyone here. But I think the distinction is important and something to think about.

"Race" is just a made up social construct. It is not real.

Well worded bullshit but points for academic an/or neo-Marxist jargon. There IS an actual conflict played out in a million little controversies. It's not false and when its sought to be applied to law, local ,state or national, it's as real as real gets.

And how can something be both blunt and sophisticated anyway?

There is no opposite of woke except the insulting and implied asleep. Only the truly intellectually arrogant can presume that they are so unique, so special that they know what the main of society has in its intents and minds and subsequently hold the superior view. Even while the notions of white supremacy are challenged, historically and culturally disproven, even if not completely released by those who gain by sentimentalizing it, there is no static wall of mean society to tilt against by a REASONABLE person.

Decolonization makes sense to a point, in terms of seeing perspectives, but when you consider we do in fact live in a science-based Euro-centric reality, it truly has its limits. No, all the Europeans aren't going to go home and no, that native people aren't going to all live in tee-pees and huts and live in harmony and nature. No, we aren't going to go over to a matriarchial tribal system because it must beat the one we have.

The most extreme result of decolonisation would be the dissolution of the American constitutional system, because it was birthed by Anglo-centric founders, who are found wanting by the day as the statues come down. This plays into the hands of traditional Marxists. If anyone is using a blunt and/or sophisticated weapon, it's the Marxists using woke-ness to weaken the system we live in for an imagined alternative of "true democracy and social justice." They are definitely fomenting the perpetual stuggle they seek that fosters in the next phase. And our foreign enemies love our internal destruction as well.

All people live in a continuum of time, realization and evolution, not a dichotomy and most people, if asked, would consider woke-ness to be an extreme manifestation of good intentions gone power-mad. Most people think, for example, that the renaming of SF schools in the way it was attempted defied some common sense of process and consideration of everyone involved. Even the mayor, you know, London Breed who is certainly not a cornerstone of white supremacy.

Further, woke is also about gender issues, regarding the male power structure and not just about race. And it has its extreme manifestations when we reach the point that something somebody said in high school is grounds for job dismissal (that Teen Vogue woman).

the simple fact of trying to alter the entirety of society because a tiny number of snowflaky people might have their feelings hurt or feel triggered is the largest flaw of wokeness. I understand and endorse the sentiment to a point, but I also understand that a certain amount of resilience is important for human survival. Everybody cannot win simultaneously. People are not always fair, rational or peaceful in their words and behaviors. At a certain point, you have to let people be people, not expect to legislate everything to an absolute standstill for the sake of some tiny minority. Suspending a kindergartner for making a pointy-finger gun does NOT MAKE SENSE to most people.

As for denying race, the notion of "not seeing race" is a pitiful minority of the left's characterization of the right. It's more of a Stephen Colbert gag than the mostly-abandoned temporary meme among the right. Sure, you still get a few chuckle-heads that try that bullshit, but I'm right there with everyone to call it out.. Most right-wingers are very conscious of race and we have all witnessed that. They will live to rue their decisions to stick with Trump unless we really do fall apart for good as a society because social evolution is not on their side.

I am not denying race, but what people can't handle is seeing beyond, when multi-racial people OR formerly-cited minority groups become pluralities (such as Hispanics in California) that are so substantial that seeking to apply the dichotomy of white dominant society against everyone else is outmoded. So many more people understand this that the stubborn insistence on sticking to it also rankles.

Frankly, we are down to a tiny core of people, most that I know personally are actually in San Francisco that simultaneously defend woke-ness and deny the adoption and decrying of cancel-culture for it's similar extreme attitudes and unrealistic standards of purity filtering.

Your ranks are so very thin that liberals and conservatives alike basically agree on how foolish you all are and that it's a form of extremist behavior. Sure Fox-hounds pounce on it as an issue of conflict, but a lot of worthy Democrats have fallen by its sword as well (Al Franken comes to mind, that guy was well on his way to becoming a great senator imo, even though he had to learn it on the job).

I don't like being confrontational but enough is enough with wokeness. It needs to return to its ivory tower and not be manifested in legislation, comfort animals, constant increases in genders et al. It's whimsical and destabilizing, at a time that we need to unify against Trumpism.

Very good post! :applause
 
It’s pretty sad you’re not looking at real life. Because the reality is, is that I-don’t-see-race comes from a place of love, and not hate.

Your view of race relations is sad, pathetic and false. I didn’t marry my wife as a “survival strategy” - I married her because I love her. Something it seems you don’t understand, or experienced. Love transcends the bullshit you so eloquently put.

I know the intent of "I don't see race/color" but when I hear it from my friends that I care about, I'd rather they come at it from a different angle. I want people to see race, and acknowledge and appreciate cultural differences. I'd rather say something that conveys I see everybody's race, but I'm not gonna treat you like a sub-human because of it.

My experience is "I don't see race" usually comes from someone with good intentions and interest in engaging in a positive discussion about [insert event or issue] but might be slightly on the defensive tone of potentially being perceived as racist before diving into the conversation. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone here, just my anecdotal experience with friends or at least acquaintances I know to not be piece of shit humans.

Might be splitting hairs here.
 
I know the intent of "I don't see race/color" but when I hear it from my friends that I care about, I'd rather they come at it from a different angle. I want people to see race, and acknowledge and appreciate cultural differences. I'd rather say something that conveys I see everybody's race, but I'm not gonna treat you like a sub-human because of it.

My experience is "I don't see race" usually comes from someone with good intentions and interest in engaging in a positive discussion about [insert event or issue] but might be slightly on the defensive tone of potentially being perceived as racist before diving into the conversation. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone here, just my anecdotal experience with friends or at least acquaintances I know to not be piece of shit humans.

Might be splitting hairs here.

Also likely splitting hairs, but "I don't see race" must mean "race does not matter to me" (unless the person is literally color blind). Now, does this mean the person treats all the same regardless of race, or does this person mean he/she believes race is no longer an issue?

I'm happy to say, with honesty, that while I obviously see and notice race, it does not matter in the slightest as far as how I treat the person. I find, more and more, that the reverse seems true (people don't treat me as an Asian, but as a human).
 
"Race" is just a made up social construct. It is not real.



Very good post! :applause

Thanks, but the irony is that I AM very unhappy with our struggles to move away from seeing things in a dominant culture standpoint. There is so much wrong with the plutocracy we are living in, but like I said, we need unity to fight the more immediate danger of Trumpism, which is downright fascism. The right uses woke-ism against us in ever achieving some kind of middle way of progressing and evolving. Elevating wokesters via Internet blogs to the point that actual decisions are made just sets up progress as clownish. The insidious nature of the woke proposals and legislation just pisses people off, put as simply as possible. The purity filtering of public figures, even including people NOT in government is out of control.

We all need to just learn to not be so reactive. A person can say their feelings are hurt, but we don't have to rush to remedy that hurt in ever increasing impracticality. And yet it keeps happening. That Teen Vogue thing was nuts. Apparently, the New York Times editorial board is a battleground because some try to out-woke others and they all end up looking tainted and foolish.

What are we doing to ourselves? That's my rhetorical response. Noone can withstand purity scrutiny or whoever is left may not be any good at performing the task at hand. This is not winning.
 
Also likely splitting hairs, but "I don't see race" must mean "race does not matter to me" (unless the person is literally color blind). Now, does this mean the person treats all the same regardless of race, or does this person mean he/she believes race is no longer an issue?

I'm happy to say, with honesty, that while I obviously see and notice race, it does not matter in the slightest as far as how I treat the person. I find, more and more, that the reverse seems true (people don't treat me as an Asian, but as a human).

Yeah that's kinda where I was going with this. Race should matter. There's a lot of awesome cultures out there different from whatever any given person is.

"I don't see race" sounds like saying "I don't taste flavor." All food is food. :laughing
 
Well, Jollibee isn't Filipino food. It is a Philippine version of American fast food. It is ok for what it is.

Not really. They are from the PI, like 90% the restaurants are in the PI. I think they started in Quezon?



Yeah that's kinda where I was going with this. Race should matter. There's a lot of awesome cultures out there different from whatever any given person is.

"I don't see race" sounds like saying "I don't taste flavor." All food is food. :laughing

So, are you a Negroid, Mongoloid, or Caucasoid?

Race is a lie, it is bad science loved by Nazis and thoroughly proven to be trash by DNA and the mapping of the Human genome. Race is not ethnicity and ethnic interests should not be attached to the previously troubling struggles around the falsehood of race in this country.
 
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