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Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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Wow. That comes across as a deeply cynical statement. One I do not agree with. Was that your intent? Do you really believe that?

As a person who works within the system to actually create change for disadvantaged people, yes, I very much do.

Conversations start at a grass roots level, but grass roots people are meaningless. As conversations become movements, movements get politicized, as they become politicized it no longer becomes simply about the movement for whatever flavor of justice was the root of the topic, it becomes about investments being made to media campaigns, investments made by people that want to see a return on their investment in one way or another.

I see so many organizations and and groups operate actively against the best interest of an issue they should be advocating for because of financial ulterior motives, and this is in a State dominated by 1 Party rule.

I can only imagine how much more savage the deal gaming must be in battleground states.
 
As a person who works within the system to actually create change for disadvantaged people, yes, I very much do.

Conversations start at a grass roots level, but grass roots people are meaningless. As conversations become movements, movements get politicized, as they become politicized it no longer becomes simply about the movement for whatever flavor of justice was the root of the topic, it becomes about investments being made to media campaigns, investments made by people that want to see a return on their investment in one way or another.

I see so many organizations and and groups operate actively against the best interest of an issue they should be advocating for because of financial ulterior motives, and this is in a State dominated by 1 Party rule.

I can only imagine how much more savage the deal gaming must be in battleground states.

You've lied to yourself so long about this that you actually believe it. Sad.
 
You consistently belittle emotions as a factor in decision making. Emotions are one of the significant advantages that our species has over others.

Are you saying my cat doesn't have feelings?
I'll have you know he has feelings.


Humans are inextricably tied to their emotions, but if we can keep them from over riding our mental capacity we can have an open discussion about how to improve society. Unfortunately there are people on both sides that know how to make emotional arguments that seem logical and thus cloud the issues.
 
As a person who works within the system to actually create change for disadvantaged people, yes, I very much do.

Conversations start at a grass roots level, but grass roots people are meaningless. As conversations become movements, movements get politicized, as they become politicized it no longer becomes simply about the movement for whatever flavor of justice was the root of the topic, it becomes about investments being made to media campaigns, investments made by people that want to see a return on their investment in one way or another.

I see so many organizations and and groups operate actively against the best interest of an issue they should be advocating for because of financial ulterior motives, and this is in a State dominated by 1 Party rule.

I can only imagine how much more savage the deal gaming must be in battleground states.

I know this is in your wheelhouse and I appreciate the feedback. I think you are posting in good faith and the perspective is something for me to think about. My immediate takeaway is that grassroots movements need to adapt and find ways to not have their values compromised.

It's like advanced democracies require advanced citizenship, greater engagement from the governed and accountability from leadership or something.
 
I know this is in your wheelhouse and I appreciate the feedback. I think you are posting in good faith and the perspective is something for me to think about. My immediate takeaway is that grassroots movements need to adapt and find ways to not have their values compromised.

It's like advanced democracies require advanced citizenship, greater engagement from the governed and accountability from leadership or something.

Thanks, I appreciate you taking the time and effort to grok that, even though it doesn't necessarily align with your base ideals.

Your conclusion is 100% correct and why I harp so much on investment in public education and elevating the base benefit standard for citizens. We are doing a piss poor job of producing that advanced citizen we require to run like the people we should be.
 
How does this “base benefit standard” align with the meritocracy you mentioned earlier?

A healthy percentage of 18-25s say their ideal job would be a social media influencer. Something went very very wrong.
 
How does this “base benefit standard” align with the meritocracy you mentioned earlier?

A healthy percentage of 18-25s say their ideal job would be a social media influencer. Something went very very wrong.

It's a good question, a lot of it has to do with realigning the cognitive map to not only focus people on the concept that their whole purpose is to produce valuable work, but also to help align them to do it.

It is said there are two types of people, those who work to live and those who live to work. I would prefer to engineer the people who Work to Live out of society as much as possible.

This society of hard working people needs a certain base foundation of stability in order to produce the best workers. It comes essentially down to three things. Housing, Healthcare, and Education. If we can make sure affordable housing is available, if we have an NHS system in place so your medical issues are not an excuse, if we have an education system that everyone gets to use through the higher education completion with a focus on preparing for employment, we better align our people to be the most effective work force possible.

Stable, well trained, and well prepared to produce the tax resources necessary to continue funding our civilization. This society is the one best suited to helping people realize their own best potential as a contributing citizen, but the Education piece is a really big lift, that one far and away requires the most work to change.

Our current education system does not at all consider itself a workforce prep program. Public school is more of a "free day care" model and college is more of a, "wank about and get to know yourself," scam for teenagers.
 
“Our current education system does not at all consider itself a workforce prep program. Public school is more of a "free day care" model and college is more of a, "wank about and get to know yourself," scam for teenagers.”

That depends on the school. Ours is fully embedded with industry partners that sponsor real-world marine technical science programs. Participation is required. The lack of skilled labor workforce programs is galling. Some sites have tried restoring existing shop infrastructure to reel in the less academically inclined. One notable example was a principal that canned a popular art program to get auto tech/body going, but he flamed out in a scandal of epic proportions. Fake doctorate, discovered by students, and coercive dating behavior with subordinates.

The obsession with “college readiness” is wrong headed. Only about 30% of Americans matriculate at uni. Why railroad all of them into academic prep they neither care about or understand well enough to transfer the skills? Most of my students have a pretty good idea about a meaningful and productive career, and the few that don’t will make good worker bees.

The empathic Eldritch is leaking through the nihilistic veil!
 
“Our current education system does not at all consider itself a workforce prep program. Public school is more of a "free day care" model and college is more of a, "wank about and get to know yourself," scam for teenagers.”

That depends on the school. Ours is fully embedded with industry partners that sponsor real-world marine technical science programs. Participation is required. The lack of skilled labor workforce programs is galling. Some sites have tried restoring existing shop infrastructure to reel in the less academically inclined. One notable example was a principal that canned a popular art program to get auto tech/body going, but he flamed out in a scandal of epic proportions. Fake doctorate, discovered by students, and coercive dating behavior with subordinates.

The obsession with “college readiness” is wrong headed. Only about 30% of Americans matriculate at uni. Why railroad all of them into academic prep they neither care about or understand well enough to transfer the skills? Most of my students have a pretty good idea about a meaningful and productive career, and the few that don’t will make good worker bees.

The empathic Eldritch is leaking through the nihilistic veil!

And that, right there, is really the worst part of his post. :laughing
 
“Our current education system does not at all consider itself a workforce prep program. Public school is more of a "free day care" model and college is more of a, "wank about and get to know yourself," scam for teenagers.”

That depends on the school. Ours is fully embedded with industry partners that sponsor real-world marine technical science programs. Participation is required. The lack of skilled labor workforce programs is galling. Some sites have tried restoring existing shop infrastructure to reel in the less academically inclined. One notable example was a principal that canned a popular art program to get auto tech/body going, but he flamed out in a scandal of epic proportions. Fake doctorate, discovered by students, and coercive dating behavior with subordinates.

The obsession with “college readiness” is wrong headed. Only about 30% of Americans matriculate at uni. Why railroad all of them into academic prep they neither care about or understand well enough to transfer the skills? Most of my students have a pretty good idea about a meaningful and productive career, and the few that don’t will make good worker bees.

The empathic Eldritch is leaking through the nihilistic veil!

:laughing An existential nihilist can still personally invest in a great many things, they just deny that life and the universe have any higher purpose or larger moral meaning. Me personally, I am a quite dedicated patriot.

I help people and try to make our systems better because it is what I choose to do for my own reasons. I do not subscribe to any greater outside moral obligation, social imperative, or any other reason to do what is right outside of what I believe is right for myself. My moral compass, much as my identity validation, is an island others cannot tread upon. :dunno

They empathy you are reading is more an understanding of the human organism. Humans have feels, a byproduct of evolutionary survival strategies that were necessary before human communication developed in a way that made them unnecessary. While this software function can be disruptive, on a macro scale it is quite predictable most of the time. A society interested in efficiency must take those human software warts into their planning when trying to develop the most efficient society.

I think you are presenting a perspective of my suggested higher education model that is far too limited to what is happening here today. I would see a few major changes in work force prep as part of it. I mean, most stupid humanities degrees would be nonsense for rich housewives to get in their spare time, nothing to be taken seriously as real education. As Tax Funded programs, the education would need to be more practically focused. Getting out of public high schools would mean direction to your chosen career education path, but many of it's fruits would probably be more, "Technical/Industry Certifications" than the current BA/BS model.

Our Labor department should be doing a better job of anticipating needed labor and making sure we are feeding our human resources into a system that is producing that labor as it is needed. Why the fuck do we have to rely so much on foreign labor for work requiring advanced degrees? It is aggravating. Why do we have so many useless shits looking for government support when there are huge shortages for both skilled and unskilled labor in our country?

Why do our high school kids not already have a decent idea of what they will do, what part of the country they will live in, and how much money they will make before they even get to their higher education work training? This should be things our transition from basic education to higher labor education should be guiding.

We need better, more efficient systems to guide people as they choose their paths.
 
Agreed, if the suspect was White it would have been in the article title and in the first paragraph.
However, since the person is described as having a "Dark Complexion" the media keep it tucked into the very last paragraph.
 
I don't think that any major push went on to try to say it was white supremacist's who were attacking Asians.

The inference was that the race relations between black and asian people has been degraded during the pandemic, in part due to white nationalist dogma blaming asians for the pandemic.
 
I don't think that any major push went on to try to say it was white supremacist's who were attacking Asians.

The inference was that the race relations between black and asian people has been degraded during the pandemic, in part due to white nationalist dogma blaming asians for the pandemic.

Ahhh, so Rooftop Koreans are from White Supremacy, I understand now.

Thanks.
 
Ahhh, so Rooftop Koreans are from White Supremacy, I understand now.

Thanks.
Nice try. :laughing

There has been tensions between asian and black communities for a long time. Nobody wants to be perceived as being at the bottom rung of society, as deep south racists have shown for a long time.

When there are already tensions it doesn't take much to get them to flare up. There's going to be stupid people in all groups, ready to blame others for their own shortcomings.
 
Nice try. :laughing

There has been tensions between asian and black communities for a long time. Nobody wants to be perceived as being at the bottom rung of society, as deep south racists have shown for a long time.

When there are already tensions it doesn't take much to get them to flare up. There's going to be stupid people in all groups, ready to blame others for their own shortcomings.

Wait, so it is not white supremacy? Sorry, you are clearly a racist. :x

Any relationship between any communities of different ethnic origin, if they are successful it is only because of the fight against white supremacy and also if any of them have relationships that don't go well, it is also because of the oppression of white supremacists only.

You have to remember that any non-WASP ethnic group has no agency of its own and every aspect of their community is dominated in every way by White Supremacy. Alison Collins has helped make us all very woke about all of this.

White supremacists supremely being whitey supremacists, nazi nazi, white hate crime, white hate, hate nazis white supremacists.

:x
 
Agreed, if the suspect was White it would have been in the article title and in the first paragraph.
However, since the person is described as having a "Dark Complexion" the media keep it tucked into the very last paragraph.

:laughing

Article was pretty funny. Here is the description:

Police described the individual as an adult male with a dark complexion, last seen wearing a black jacket, black pants, white sneakers and a multi-colored baseball cap.

Why didn't they just write:

Police described the individual as an adult male (including trans males) with a dark complexion, last seen wearing a dark jacket, dark pants, white supremacist sneakers and a diverse baseball cap.

Anecdotally, does it seem like an outsized number of these attacks are by black men? Granted, we have to factor in population figures (relatively higher numbers of blacks in say, NY city), but from a purely observational POV, it seems like an outsized number. If so, I don't really understand why (keeping in mind Climber's and others points about past race issues between say, Koreans and blacks).
 
:laughing


Anecdotally, does it seem like an outsized number of these attacks are by black men? Granted, we have to factor in population figures (relatively higher numbers of blacks in say, NY city), but from a purely observational POV, it seems like an outsized number. If so, I don't really understand why (keeping in mind Climber's and others points about past race issues between say, Koreans and blacks).

The premise in this thread was never White on Asian crimes of hate it was more related to Covid "blaming" IMHO.
 
The premise in this thread was never White on Asian crimes of hate it was more related to Covid "blaming" IMHO.

Yeah, just something I noticed anecdotally, is that an outsized number of these attacks seem to be by black men.

Then again, sample size is small, we need to keep in mind demographic numbers in the attack locations, etc. (and of course, observation/anecdote is not evidence).

IF it's true that an outsized number involve black men, I am curious why that is. Is this some sort of retribution for perceived racism by Asians towards blacks? To generalize, are blacks more concerned about Covid than other races? Etc.
 
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