Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

[TylerW]

Agreed, if the suspect was White it would have been in the article title and in the first paragraph.
However, since the person is described as having a "Dark Complexion" the media keep it tucked into the very last paragraph.

You seem very fixated on heightening tensions between Black and Asian communities.

I'm wondering: why?

 

[Climber]

Yeah, just something I noticed anecdotally, is that an outsized number of these attacks seem to be by black men.

Then again, sample size is small, we need to keep in mind demographic numbers in the attack locations, etc. (and of course, observation/anecdote is not evidence).

IF it's true that an outsized number involve black men, I am curious why that is. Is this some sort of retribution for perceived racism by Asians towards blacks? To generalize, are blacks more concerned about Covid than other races? Etc.

I suspect that it has more to do with long simmering friction between the two races that provide fertile ground for anger to flare up.

I stopped taking black dates to Chinese restaurants, there was definitely a difference than when taking other dates to them. I'm not saying this to point a finger at the Chinese, just an observation that there was something between the two that led to a chilling effect.

 

[Kurosaki]

Yeah, just something I noticed anecdotally, is that an outsized number of these attacks seem to be by black men.

Then again, sample size is small, we need to keep in mind demographic numbers in the attack locations, etc. (and of course, observation/anecdote is not evidence).

IF it's true that an outsized number involve black men, I am curious why that is. Is this some sort of retribution for perceived racism by Asians towards blacks? To generalize, are blacks more concerned about Covid than other races? Etc.

Perceived?

Anecdotally, most of the racism in my life has been from Asians, not white people.

 

[jdhu]

Perceived?

Anecdotally, most of the racism in my life has been from Asians, not white people.

Perceived, yes. No doubt some Asians have discriminated against blacks, but if you are going to blame all Asians for Asian against black discrimination, then it's a matter of perception (by the attacker).

 

[jdhu]

I suspect that it has more to do with long simmering friction between the two races that provide fertile ground for anger to flare up.

I stopped taking black dates to Chinese restaurants, there was definitely a difference than when taking other dates to them. I'm not saying this to point a finger at the Chinese, just an observation that there was something between the two that led to a chilling effect.

Yeah, I can speak from firsthand experience, that some Asians are indeed racist, and vehemently so.

Then again, the leap in logic it would take to somehow justify an attack against an elderly Asian, and for Covid-related reasons, is pretty ridiculous.

 

[Eldritch]

Yeah, just something I noticed anecdotally, is that an outsized number of these attacks seem to be by black men.

Then again, sample size is small, we need to keep in mind demographic numbers in the attack locations, etc. (and of course, observation/anecdote is not evidence).

IF it's true that an outsized number involve black men, I am curious why that is. Is this some sort of retribution for perceived racism by Asians towards blacks? To generalize, are blacks more concerned about Covid than other races? Etc.

I mean, that is the joke about the media trying to blame all the violence on, "White Supremacy," in the early days of reporting when it rapidly became very apparent that most of the perps being caught on video were BIPOC, not your friendly neighborhood skinhead assholes.

A lot of it just goes back to competition for resources in shared spaces. For the last 50 years there has been a huge influx of Asian Immigration into the USA.

https://immigrationtounitedstates.org/359-asian-immigrants.html

As a case example I can remember in the last 15 years or so, there was this huge conversation in San Francisco about White gentrification of Black Neighborhoods in SF, and how the black community was almost completely gone in SF except for the public housing projects.

In going back to look at the Census Data you could see at the time that White Populations in the City had remained mostly stable and hadn't changed much, but as the black population in the City had dropped from a high of like 18% in the 1970's and had dropped down to like 7% now, almost 100% of that demographic shift had been taken up by Asians, not the, "White Invaders."

In the low income housing community in particular there is a LOT of hostility. Be it free Turkeys handed out in a line at the Holidays or applications for new Low Income Housing Units taking applications, when an opportunity shows up, the Old Chinese Ladies show up IN FORCE. They utterly dominate every line, every application process, any system that provides resources in the City to low income people, even in traditionally black neighborhoods like the Fillmore.

You can find similar parallels in the fighting between Jews, Irish, and Italians in New York 100 years ago, etc. It isn't super uncommon.

 

[Holeshot]

Perceived, yes. No doubt some Asians have discriminated against blacks, but if you are going to blame all Asians for Asian against black discrimination, then it's a matter of perception (by the attacker).

This is always the case, however the difference this time is the reality isn't playing along with the plot. The Media is doing their best to report while masking the entirety of the fact set. "Why" is the question.

You can find similar parallels in the fighting between Jews, Irish, and Italians in New York 100 years ago, etc. It isn't super uncommon.

Currently in NY, we saw the same (media) treatment of the attacks on Hasidic Jews which were widely reported to be "anti-semitism" followed by a comment and/ or conversation on white-power groups. The truth turned out to be attacks from existing black residents on the Jewish moves into their communities. I noted and posted about this a few years ago and did not find anti semitism as the reason, but rather good-ol-fashion territory disputes.

 

[jdhu]

I mean, that is the joke about the media trying to blame all the violence on, "White Supremacy," in the early days of reporting when it rapidly became very apparent that most of the perps being caught on video were BIPOC, not your friendly neighborhood skinhead assholes.

A lot of it just goes back to competition for resources in shared spaces. For the last 50 years there has been a huge influx of Asian Immigration into the USA.

https://immigrationtounitedstates.org/359-asian-immigrants.html

As a case example I can remember in the last 15 years or so, there was this huge conversation in San Francisco about White gentrification of Black Neighborhoods in SF, and how the black community was almost completely gone in SF except for the public housing projects.

In going back to look at the Census Data you could see at the time that White Populations in the City had remained mostly stable and hadn't changed much, but as the black population in the City had dropped from a high of like 18% in the 1970's and had dropped down to like 7% now, almost 100% of that demographic shift had been taken up by Asians, not the, "White Invaders."

In the low income housing community in particular there is a LOT of hostility. Be it free Turkeys handed out in a line at the Holidays or applications for new Low Income Housing Units taking applications, when an opportunity shows up, the Old Chinese Ladies show up IN FORCE. They utterly dominate every line, every application process, any system that provides resources in the City to low income people, even in traditionally black neighborhoods like the Fillmore.

You can find similar parallels in the fighting between Jews, Irish, and Italians in New York 100 years ago, etc. It isn't super uncommon.

This makes a ton of sense. Economics/fight for scarce resources will always be a factor in animosity. If the other person looks differently than you do, that makes it easier to dislike him/her.

Also have to agree about Asian tendency to abuse such resources. I think it can be largely explained by poor childhood/origin; when you are so desperately poor growing up, you develop certain habits/tendencies that are hard to overcome. I see it firsthand with my mother (now very comfortable financially due to hard work, and yet will negotiate over $.25 at the farmer's market, stay late after a work event to gather leftovers, etc.).

 

[Eldritch]

Currently in NY, we saw the same (media) treatment of the attacks on Hasidic Jews which were widely reported to be "anti-semitism" followed by a comment and/ or conversation on white-power groups. The truth turned out to be attacks from existing black residents on the Jewish moves into their communities. I noted and posted about this a few years ago and did not find anti semitism as the reason, but rather good-ol-fashion territory disputes.

Yeah, I seem to recall when that was goign on one of the culprits was a member of an antisemite Black Nationalist Islamic group, so there was some ethnic prejudice going on, but it is just another case of the constant "white supremacy," barking from talking heads getting more and more tired.

The true reality is that 90% of the so called, "racist," issues in this nation are actually not based in race at all, but really are representative of the class struggle.

This makes a ton of sense. Economics/fight for scarce resources will always be a factor in animosity. If the other person looks differently than you do, that makes it easier to dislike him/her.

Also have to agree about Asian tendency to abuse such resources. I think it can be largely explained by poor childhood/origin; when you are so desperately poor growing up, you develop certain habits/tendencies that are hard to overcome. I see it firsthand with my mother (now very comfortable financially due to hard work, and yet will negotiate over $.25 at the farmer's market, stay late after a work event to gather leftovers, etc.).

Hey, hey, hey now, I never said anyone was abusing anything. The Chinese community I was talking about in San Francisco is super organized, tightly networked, super effective, and down to wait in lines starting at 0 dark 30am.

That isn't abuse, that is just an effective community, and I don't have a beef with it. Now, other communities that are less effective, in some cases, wildly dysfunctional and poorly skilled at gathering such resources, those different community groups that want access to the same resources of course feel hostility towards the groups that seem to be dominating that competition, which is pretty natural.

No abuse, just kind of is what it is.

 

[jdhu]

Hey, hey, hey now, I never said anyone was abusing anything. The Chinese community I was talking about in San Francisco is super organized, tightly networked, super effective, and down to wait in lines starting at 0 dark 30am.

That isn't abuse, that is just an effective community, and I don't have a beef with it. Now, other communities that are less effective, in some cases, wildly dysfunctional and poorly skilled at gathering such resources, those different community groups that want access to the same resources of course feel hostility towards the groups that seem to be dominating that competition, which is pretty natural.

No abuse, just kind of is what it is.

Hmm. This isn't limited to Asians, but I know of some SF residents who abuse WIC and other such programs (the stereotypical driving of nice SUVs to go pick up food stamp cards). That, I consider abuse.

If you go to a food bank to pick up free food, when you don't need it? I'd also consider that abuse, or misuse, of precious resources, but I guess tomato tomaaaato.

Now, if you are just willing to wait longer in line (and actually need to food/assistance), then I also have no issue.

 

[Climber]

When you consider the general stereotypes and characteristics of the two races, it's no surprise that they could be natural enemies or at least view the other side with some degree of disdain or disfavor. Both populations, in general (not all, by any means) value and strive for very different things. People tend to dislike or distrust people who are different from their own likes and values, providing plenty of tinder for some people to throw embers on the brush.

 

[jdhu]

When you consider the general stereotypes and characteristics of the two races, it's no surprise that they could be natural enemies or at least view the other side with some degree of disdain or disfavor. Both populations, in general (not all, by any means) value and strive for very different things. People tend to dislike or distrust people who are different from their own likes and values, providing plenty of tinder for some people to throw embers on the brush.

What are these characteristics, that would make blacks and Asians natural enemies?

I hate even typing this, but I have heard from some (Asian) relatives (mostly distant and overseas, not immediate family members) that blacks are lazy, prone to crime, etc., pretty much the worse, basest stereotypes one can come up with. Granted, I haven't heard such sentiments in years or even decades, but at some point, I did hear them.

 

[Climber]

What are these characteristics, that would make blacks and Asians natural enemies?

I hate even typing this, but I have heard from some (Asian) relatives (mostly distant and overseas, not immediate family members) that blacks are lazy, prone to crime, etc., pretty much the worse, basest stereotypes one can come up with. Granted, I haven't heard such sentiments in years or even decades, but at some point, I did hear them.

Sports prowess is highly valued in the black community (in general) while high grades at school are highly valued in the Asian community (in general). There are a bunch of outstanding scholars on the black side and outstanding athletes on the Asian side.

A strong powerful presence is valued in the black community (in general) while humbleness if valued in the Asian community (in general). Again, there are plenty of exceptions on both sides. In addition, my Asian friends are humble in public but have a lot of pride and passion in private. I have plenty of black friends who are very humble people, but put on a strong front in public.

 

[Eldritch]

Hmm. This isn't limited to Asians, but I know of some SF residents who abuse WIC and other such programs (the stereotypical driving of nice SUVs to go pick up food stamp cards). That, I consider abuse.

If you go to a food bank to pick up free food, when you don't need it? I'd also consider that abuse, or misuse, of precious resources, but I guess tomato tomaaaato.

Now, if you are just willing to wait longer in line (and actually need to food/assistance), then I also have no issue.

I have certainly seen a lot of it, honestly the Russians are the absolute worst about this, but often it is sort of in a grey area. Like, usually they came here as immigrants, were broke their whole lives, get a bunch of public assistance, but it is legit because they are actually broke. HOWEVER, their kids who grew up here and sometimes were born here are doing very nicely. Good jobs, good money, often the Lexus SUV belongs to the kid, but they essentially just gave it to mom, because they are trying to take care of their olds.

You go into their apartments and it is all designer furniture and big screen TV, but the kids bought all of it, the kids do Costco runs for a lot of the household goods that the olds can't cover with their little walks to the local market and whatnot. Like, we certify their assets, we know what their income is and what they have in the bank, they don't have shit, so like technically it is not abuse, but it isn't exactly the public assistance model most people think of either.

 

[Holeshot]

I hate even typing this, but I have heard from some (Asian) relatives (mostly distant and overseas, not immediate family members) that blacks are lazy, prone to crime, etc., pretty much the worse, basest stereotypes one can come up with. Granted, I haven't heard such sentiments in years or even decades, but at some point, I did hear them.

For decades this was said about hispanics as well. The quintessential joke about the drunk, lazy Mexican. It couldn't be further from the truth. 1st generation hispanics work like no other. I always felt this was started by (majority), Anglo membership unions and related to the "they took out jobs" mantra.

 

[Agent Orange]

I think the problem with that stereotype is people drive around and see Hispanics hanging out at the park with their homeys and getting drunk off Modelo Negros. There are those folks, but there's also the folks that work their asses off at restaurants and construction sites people forget. Being in my field, almost all the laborers for my contractors I work with pubic construction are Hispanics. They like to joke and fuck around, but they're also the hardest working motherfuckers I know next to South Koreans. And that saying that hispanics performing work most Americans dont want to do? Totally true.

 

[GAJ]

I think the problem with that stereotype is people drive around and see Hispanics hanging out at the park with their homeys and getting drunk off Modelo Negros. There are those folks, but there's also the folks that work their asses off at restaurants and construction sites people forget. Being in my field, almost all the laborers for my contractors I work with pubic construction are Hispanics. They like to joke and fuck around, but they're also the hardest working motherfuckers I know next to South Koreans. And that saying that hispanics performing work most Americans dont want to do? Totally true.

Completely my experience with those from South of the border.

Some of the men are massive mysoginists but they work hard as hell.

Ladies work equally hard.

 

[ScorpioVI]

I think the problem with that stereotype is people drive around and see Hispanics hanging out at the park with their homeys and getting drunk off Modelo Negros. There are those folks, but there's also the folks that work their asses off at restaurants and construction sites people forget. Being in my field, almost all the laborers for my contractors I work with pubic construction are Hispanics. They like to joke and fuck around, but they're also the hardest working motherfuckers I know next to South Koreans. And that saying that hispanics performing work most Americans dont want to do? Totally true.

Agreed.

20 years of dealing with construction contractors and it's always white supervisors running a crew of Mexicans/Guatemalans/Nicaraguans/ElSalvadorenos. The only time I've seen those contractors sweat is when I plop them down in front of a computer in an air-conditioned room to do the required site safety orientation. Working back-breaking labor in 100F weather? No problem. La computadora? No puede!

 

[NSR500]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/asian-american-teen-suffers-concussion-204810892.html

 

[NSR500]

https://news.yahoo.com/man-charged-attacking-two-asian-180911994.html