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Anti-Asian Hate Crimes

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Wait, how many Asians have been killed since this pandemic started?

I mean, is death the only metric we're applying to WS while simple violence is counted everywhere else?
 
Wait, how many Asians have been killed since this pandemic started?

I mean, is death the only metric we're applying to WS while simple violence is counted everywhere else?

That is a good question and one harder to provide metrics for I am sure. For one reason, a white racist is NOT necessarily a white supremacist.

An incident like a simple battery typically will not warrant the kind of psychological investigation of a suspect that a homicide will.
 
I think there's some confusion created when far left folks like myself talk about white supremacy, and how we live in one. I'm not trying to suggest that jack-booted skinheads lie in wait on every street corner, ready to kick the heads in of any person of color they see. Those people exist, but they've also come to realize that random, radicalized violence results in a violent backlash.

Rather, what people mean when they say that the US is a white supremacy is that it is a country where its laws, its economic structures, it's culture and its mass media is used to put white people first, giving them the most opportunities to succeed, and everyone else comes second.

Is that supposed to mean that if you're white, you had an easy life? Absolutely not. But it means that your race is one of the many obstacles you never had to overcome.
 
Tyler, that's an important distinction and seems to be part of why people react so strongly to Critical Race Theory. CRT uses the term "white supremacy" in a more nuanced way than what we commonly think of when we hear the term. In everyday news, "white supremacy" connotes white hoods, burning crosses and swastikas. The meaning of the term in a CRT context is more what you describe.
 
Tyler, that's an important distinction and seems to be part of why people react so strongly to Critical Race Theory. CRT uses the term "white supremacy" in a more nuanced way than what we commonly think of when we hear the term. In everyday news, "white supremacy" connotes white hoods, burning crosses and swastikas. The meaning of the term in a CRT context is more what you describe.

Maybe those who study CRT should use another term then? Unless the goal is to divide rather than unite. :dunno
 
Maybe those who study CRT should use another term then? Unless the goal is to divide rather than unite. :dunno

According to the Merriam Webster dictionary, the term is ideal. We've just come to think of white supremacy as something that other countries do, and with more visible genocidal outcomes. This is the byproduct of fictionalizing our own histories to aggrandize our place in history.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/white supremacy

1: the belief that the white race is inherently superior to other races and that white people should have control over people of other races

2: the social, economic, and political systems that collectively enable white people to maintain power over people of other races
 
Maybe those who study CRT should use another term then? Unless the goal is to divide rather than unite. :dunno

Um, no. It’s Critical to the mission of equity, it’s Race-based in application, and the Theory is broad and encompasses the whole culture, as Tyler just described.

When civil rights acts and related laws fail so hard for so long, it’s time to paint with broad strokes. POC have exhausted so many specific avenues of redress that we have to get the learning going early. Similar to LBGTQIA+ understanding we only see progress when school and wider culture advocate and ally on behalf of equity. Unless you’re (the royal you) a backwoods bigoted retard, gay is fine, gay is good, gay is human too.

Of course this feels like a rollback of privilege. When a colleague young enough to be my daughter says “your words hurt me” after I sent an academic article supporting her views on equality and merit I was confused, then listened attentively, then safely arrived at the conclusion that “professionalizing” the topic demeaned her experience. Uncomfortable? Yep. Validating her experience and learning from it? Yep. Now we are back to being friends and actively collaborating. Discomfort is now a two-way street.

We don’t want to create more Chris Dorners now do we? Because five decades of broken promises and active suppression does just that.
 
We seem to have a disconnect of perception and definition of White Supremacists.

The perception is that they have a meeting with lots of guns and organize killing of other races.

The reality is that it is a term that says they simply believe that non-white people are inferior to white people.

I would venture a guess that there are far, far more people who actually are White Supremacists than those who identify as one.
 
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Is that supposed to mean that if you're white, you had an easy life? Absolutely not. But it means that your race is one of the many obstacles you never had to overcome.

I agree with this and think this is your best description of the obstacles for certain races in the country. Well written, indeed.

I do believe race is a facet of personal obstacles we face as humans. The race discussion has become so prolific and frequent, it drowns out the myriad of other obstacles humans of all races face, daily. This has been the frustration I see/ hear: an inattention to other national problems for individuals that are not getting the attention needed in addition to our national racial issues.
 
Its also worth noting that just because you live in a country that is a functioning white supremacy doesn't mean that you consciously believe other races are inferior. But the cruft of generations of mislearning our own history has built in hundreds of subconscious racial biases that, unless we're actively critical of our own selves and our views of others, quietly hum away and continue to shape the way our society functions, while we pat ourselves o the back and feel like we're doing the right thing.

For the folks where who are white - we have all benefitted from living in a place that puts us first. We had easier access to the best jobs, the nicest properties, greater pay, more lenient policing. Its not much fun to learn that the deck has been stacked in our favor. It lessens our achievements. Acknowledging this is the first of many uncomfortable, yet necessary steps on the road to building a more just society.
 
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Regarding the United States opportunity for black Americans: I believe the billionaires list (especially over the last 20 years) demonstrates the most opportunity for .1% level wealth, even for black entrepreneurs. The US outpaces the world in this respect tremendously.

We always tend to look at the bottom economics of society and never, the top of what HAS been achieved.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_billionaires
 
Yes, we should definitely pay attention to the seven who made it instead of the seven million who won't.


Holy shit I picked a random number and them millionized it, and I was spot on. Seven fucking guys.
Hell yes land of opportunity.
 
According to the Merriam Webster dictionary, the term is ideal. We've just come to think of white supremacy as something that other countries do, and with more visible genocidal outcomes. This is the byproduct of fictionalizing our own histories to aggrandize our place in history.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/white supremacy

Except that definition is not suitable to describe America today. The previous example of POC being elected to every level of government has been presented. presented. The more important model IMO is POC Law Enforcement Officers enforcing the law on people on people of European Ethnic origins.

It simply is not a White Supremacy any more. The term being used is intentionally shocking and controversial in order to provoke a falsely powerful reaction from the audience.

Society that has an untargeted predisposition to be more easily navigated by the vast majority of people who live there and represent an ethnic origin that started and designed most the Country isn't as easy to leverage when trying to place blame though.

Why is it no one is talking about Asian Supremacy in Japan or China or Black Supremacy in Rwanda?

Right now, today, POC Agents of the State (your supposed White Supremacy) are sing a wide variety of exciting new Choke Holds on White People in a whole exciting and fresh new bevy of jackboots being shoved directly into keisters. It just is not a White Supremacist society.

We had a White Supremacy up until it was made illegal in the Late 60's with the two civil rights acts. That previous White Supremacy was particularly devastating to the Black Community, who was more specifically and harshly terrorized and targeted than anyone else, a terrible social behavior with roots in the ugly British tradition of Slavery imposed on this nation when it was still colonial.

Just as the White Supremacy was forced to end with the 2 Civil Rights acts of the Late 60's, an unfortunate shift in the economic structure of our nation caused the Middle Class to stagnate and enter a decline that has been a decades long growing era of divide between upper and lower class income brackets.

The Black community, which had been disproportionately forced into poverty through the White Supremacist conditions of Jim Crow America found now that they had been liberated from targeted oppression by Government that the financial opportunities that had elevated the Middle Class in the 40's-60's were now drying up in the 1970's and by the the time the Reaganomic decline of the 1980's arrived, the opportunities to rise outside of systemic poverty had well nigh dried up.

The result of that shift is that the Black community that had previously been forced into poverty and now found that those born into poverty found fewer and fewer ways out over the coming decades, found that they were disproportionately the victims of the new American War against the poor.

For decades a 2 party government has fed on xenophobia and fear of change on one side and the phantom of of past injustice on the other to wedge their constituents against real solutions on both sides while the power brokers get wildly wealthy off of the still raging war against the poor.

I promise very rarely, but I promise you that if this nation would makes the necessary systemic changes to address real and meaningful class justice reform, the Race conflict problem would mostly just disappear.
 
We seem to have a disconnect of perception and definition of White Supremacists.

The perception is that they have a meeting with lots of guns and organize killing of other races.

The reality is that it is a term that says they simply believe that non-white people are inferior to white people.

I would venture a guess that there are far, far more people who actually are White Supremacists than those who identify as one.

I didn't know that even was up for debate.
 
Except that definition is not suitable to describe America today. The previous example of POC being elected to every level of government has been presented. presented. The more important model IMO is POC Law Enforcement Officers enforcing the law on people on people of European Ethnic origins.

It simply is not a White Supremacy any more. The term being used is intentionally shocking and controversial in order to provoke a falsely powerful reaction from the audience.

Society that has an untargeted predisposition to be more easily navigated by the vast majority of people who live there and represent an ethnic origin that started and designed most the Country isn't as easy to leverage when trying to place blame though.

Why is it no one is talking about Asian Supremacy in Japan or China or Black Supremacy in Rwanda?

Right now, today, POC Agents of the State (your supposed White Supremacy) are sing a wide variety of exciting new Choke Holds on White People in a whole exciting and fresh new bevy of jackboots being shoved directly into keisters. It just is not a White Supremacist society.

We had a White Supremacy up until it was made illegal in the Late 60's with the two civil rights acts. That previous White Supremacy was particularly devastating to the Black Community, who was more specifically and harshly terrorized and targeted than anyone else, a terrible social behavior with roots in the ugly British tradition of Slavery imposed on this nation when it was still colonial.

Just as the White Supremacy was forced to end with the 2 Civil Rights acts of the Late 60's, an unfortunate shift in the economic structure of our nation caused the Middle Class to stagnate and enter a decline that has been a decades long growing era of divide between upper and lower class income brackets.

The Black community, which had been disproportionately forced into poverty through the White Supremacist conditions of Jim Crow America found now that they had been liberated from targeted oppression by Government that the financial opportunities that had elevated the Middle Class in the 40's-60's were now drying up in the 1970's and by the the time the Reaganomic decline of the 1980's arrived, the opportunities to rise outside of systemic poverty had well nigh dried up.

The result of that shift is that the Black community that had previously been forced into poverty and now found that those born into poverty found fewer and fewer ways out over the coming decades, found that they were disproportionately the victims of the new American War against the poor.

For decades a 2 party government has fed on xenophobia and fear of change on one side and the phantom of of past injustice on the other to wedge their constituents against real solutions on both sides while the power brokers get wildly wealthy off of the still raging war against the poor.

I promise very rarely, but I promise you that if this nation would makes the necessary systemic changes to address real and meaningful class justice reform, the Race conflict problem would mostly just disappear.

That's a whole lot of words to get around saying that the term white supremacy makes you uncomfortable.
 
Oh. Then you got me, man. My bad :laughing

That came off as some McBain level joke.

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Its also worth noting that just because you live in a country that is a functioning white supremacy doesn't mean that you consciously believe other races are inferior. But the cruft of generations of mislearning our own history has built in hundreds of subconscious racial biases that, unless we're actively critical of our own selves and our views of others, quietly hum away and continue to shape the way our society functions, while we pat ourselves o the back and feel like we're doing the right thing.

For the folks where who are white - we have all benefitted from living in a place that puts us first. We had easier access to the best jobs, the nicest properties, greater pay, more lenient policing. Its not much fun to learn that the deck has been stacked in our favor. It lessens our achievements. Acknowledging this is the first of many uncomfortable, yet necessary steps on the road to building a more just society.

And here we see the problem with "white supremacy" It isn't what we all used to understand it as. A white person considering itself superior by the virtue of its race. But simply means defending the status quo now.
The aim is deconstruction of society from the roots and rebuilding it in a new society with very different values and rules than we currently have. Critical Theory in all of its forms, being attacking race, gender, history or politics proves that very clearly.
 
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