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I'll address your request for clarification about baby steps and risk. OK, so baby steps are what's been happening and it hasn't been enough? What else is new? It does not behoove this nation to pivot on its axis every time a new president comes into power or a new movement hits the streets. Our system of government is built for gridlock on purpose, to mitigate risk. It's childish to throw a hissy fit because things aren't going your way fast enough for your fancy.

Re risk: You're talking about government programs (so really, redistribution of wealth) and new education curricula. From everything I've heard about CRT, it seems like the intent is to decide which wealth redistribution is best. So when you're talking about taxing people more, or moving tax dollars from one program to another, and also molding our youths' minds, you bet your ask there is risk that we start heading down the wrong path. I fear the path towards socialism but yes, I understand, a lot of you don't. It is what it is.

Now onto the video.

First off, these people in the video you linked are convinced that white supremacy is the root cause of all their problems (see the 7:50 mark). So, yeah. I think I'm going to disagree with them.

You say tom-AH-to, I say tom-AY-to. You listen to her and hear nothing but affirmation that CRT is just dandy and I listen to her and hear her affirm that CRT is what I think it is, which is not a good thing.

She starts with the civil rights movement and basically says what happened after that wasn't good enough. Affirmative action, other "targeted programs to address racial inequality," and liberal colorblindness all wasn't good enough. More is needed, according to her, you, and other people who support CRT in search of "racial justice."

You pointed out a shortcoming, that redlining was happening, and CRT discovered it. OK...seems like the system works as-is, and has been working for decades. Why is there all of the sudden a big push to change it even more? Like for instance, starting to teach CRT in schools.

You call it "moral panic drummed in by reactionaries," and in the video you posted, they lament that some states want to not allow CRT to be taught in schools. The man basically says (paraphrasing), "Where are these schools teaching CRT? I've never seen it. This (banning CRT being taught in schools) seems like a solution in search of a problem." The woman, paraphrasing, says, "This is a right wing approach...they make up a problem and create a moral panic around an issue that doesn't exist...in order to distract from their own failed policies." (I see why you like her)

Haha, well that's the thing, people react to the communicated intent. There is an intent to start teaching CRT in schools, and there is a reaction to that intent. How can they (and you) say this is just "drumming up moral panic to a problem that doesn't exist?"

I can use their same logic to say we don't need CRT to be taught in schools because it's a solution in search of a problem. Their quest to teach everyone that white supremacy is alive and well, and at the root of all their problems, is a typical left wing tactic to drum up moral panic to a problem that doesn't exist and distract from their own failed policies.

I would rather have a society take "risk" to better humanity than allow unneeded suffering for the sake of the comfort of the priviledged. This is how societies get better. How slow is slow enough for you? We on average have about 80 years per human. Jim crow laws lasted well into the mids 60s after the Reconstruction of the south.

Providing general welfare is baked into the constitution. I understand that redistribution is a contentious issue but I think it is mostly red-scare mongering. Remember that redistributive policies rebuilt this nation post WW2. Imagine how much wealthier this nation could have been if it wasn't effectively an apartheid state post WW2, and that the wealth, programs and laws were equally applied.

the video makes the point that colorblindness was the incorrect approach to studying racial justice, not that it wasn't "good enough".

re: 7:50 mark-You also left out the context of the convo. Which is at 7:20, which is about the fear of teaching the history of the nation accurately. It's not a surprise that white supremacy is one of the subjects considering the US was a hard apartheid state, and how even with the end of Jim crow laws still affect us today.

CRT isn't being taught at schools. The academic field of CRT, for sake of accuracy, helps identify what kind of history should be taught at schools.
 
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Great points all. Food for thought. Heading out for the weekend, we'll see where this thread goes in the next few days.
 
I would rather have a society take "risk" to better humanity than allow unneeded suffering for the sake of the comfort of the priviledged. This is how societies get better. How slow is slow enough for you? We on average have about 80 years per human. Jim crow laws lasted well into the mids 60s after the Reconstruction of the south.

Providing general welfare is baked into the constitution. I understand that redistribution is a contentious issue but I think it is mostly red-scare mongering. Remember that redistributive policies rebuilt this nation post WW2. Imagine how much wealthier this nation could have been if it wasn't effectively an apartheid state post WW2, and that the wealth, programs and laws were equally applied.

the video makes the point that colorblindness was the incorrect approach to studying racial justice, not that it wasn't "good enough".

re: 7:50 mark-You also left out the context of the convo. Which is at 7:20, which is about the fear of teaching history the history of the nation accurately. It's not a surprise that white supremacy is one of the subjects considering the US was a hard apartheid state, and how even with the end of Jim crow laws still affect us today.

CRT isn't being taught at schools. The academic field of CRT, for sake of accuracy, helps identify what kind of history should be taught at schools.

Well, improving the living situation for disadvantaged (low income) people in America is not very high risk, it is honestly really important to the future health of our nation, but doing it based on Race is a terrible idea because of the social impact to our community at large. So much of this thread was about urban hostility between two different racial groups due to a direct competition for resources.

Creating a segregated system of government resources just creates MORE segregation, which our history has already shown does not work well. If you create good systemic changes to the benefit of for ALL low income Americans, disproportionately disadvantaged groups like the Black Community would be disproportionately benefited as a result of those systemic changes, right?

The challenge becomes getting Government to embrace systemic change. The reality is, Government would usually rather embrace the high cost cycle of poverty that is driven by the Direct Payment Benefit model, because that model is very advantageous to the special interest money powers that control those systems.
 
We really need a sarcasm font :laughing

Yeah, I knew it was sarcasm, and my reply was ironically sarcastic. :cool.

What are you reading or hearing that makes you think this? CRT isn't a set of policies or recommendations. It's an analysis of societal structures that have led to racial inequality. Do you oppose doing the analysis?

Let's set aside wealth redistribution or socialism, as these are not CRT. Some groups may propose policies along those lines as a way to offset inequality, but those policies are not CRT.

As far as I can tell, to oppose CRT is to oppose knowing the origins of and ongoing influences on racial inequality in the US.

You are correct. There is nothing wrong with a study of CRT as a way of teaching accurate history and whatnot. History tends to be written through the biased eyes of those in charge. The Boston Tea Party colonists were patriots, not rebels.

But I also think the host and the Doctor do want equity as an end result. She mentioned how she doesn't believe the government should view affirmative action the same was as racial discrimination is viewed, and the being "colorblind" is not the correct approach. Well, it's not the correct approach for teaching or learning about history, but I would disagree about it not being the correct approach in the present.

It is not difficult to read between the lines and see that equity is the end goal. Equity involves government forced redistribution of wealth based on race. It is social programs that aren't distributed by need only. So while discussion and dialog is never a bad thing, I can see where some people don't trust the intentions of those pushing CRT.
 
It is not difficult to read between the lines and see that equity is the end goal. Equity involves government forced redistribution of wealth based on race. It is social programs that aren't distributed by need only. So while discussion and dialog is never a bad thing, I can see where some people don't trust the intentions of those pushing CRT.

Well some races and peoples had shit straight up stolen from them, which is why LA govt is considering returning beachfront property to these folks:

https://www.latimes.com/california/...e-manhattan-beach-black-descendants-land-back
 
You mentioned slavery and segregation. What is legal in America today that's even comparable to slavery? The only people segregating these days are the woke folk.

Modern segregation appears as "exclusion" and "confirmation bias" of like minded. Instead of reaching across aisles, the country has decided to barricade the aisles. We're self segregating and thus, creating a society not of debate and cauldron ideas, but "my way/ not your way". This is the reason why things feel so different the last decade or so: No debate, no consideration, just do it.

Regarding the article on eminent domain in LA (Manhattan Beach):

Eminent domain. While I don't particularly like, nor believe eminent domain to be a fair, much less equitable practice, it's among the oldest of American law, referenced in the 5th amendment ("the taking"). The fairness falls in the 5th's "fair compensation" language. A Warranty deed is the lowest elevation of land ownership and this has been exploited by cities/ counties/ states since forever.

Lookup "Land Patent" for the highest elevation of land ownership.
 
From yesterday regarding the idea that White Supremacy is a "myth."

A newly released government report on domestic violent extremism warns lone wolf attackers with easily accessible weapons present the greatest terrorism threat to the US and the number of people dying at the hands of racially motivated extremists every year is on the rise since 2017.

The joint report from the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Department of Homeland Security shows 2019 was "the most lethal year" for domestic violent extremist attacks since 1995 -- with 32 people killed, 24 of them by White supremacists.

The report focuses on data from 2017-2019.

"In 2019, the FBI and DHS assessed RMVEs (Racially or Ethnically Motivated Violent Extremists), primarily those advocating for the superiority of the white race, likely would continue to be the most lethal DVE threat to the Homeland," the report said.

"Our agencies had high confidence in this assessment based on the demonstrated capability of RMVEs in 2019 to select weapons and targets to conduct attacks, and the effectiveness of online RMVE messaging calling for increased violence."

There were 57 domestic terrorism-related deaths between 2017 and 2019, the data shows, 47 of them racially motivated, mostly by White supremacists.

DHS on Friday issued a terrorism threat bulletin update, which warned that "through 2020 and into 2021, government facilities and personnel have been common targets" of domestic violent extremists.

"Historically, mass-casualty Domestic Violent Extremist (DVE) attacks linked to racially- or ethnically-motivated violent extremists (RMVEs) have targeted houses of worship and crowded commercial facilities or gatherings," according to the bulletin.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/15/poli...hs-rise-domestic-violent-extremism/index.html
 
I would certainly not say white supremacy is a myth, but without reading the FBI report, I expected to see more deaths attributable. We should look into how the report is comprised. Off the cuff: 35 murders (I'm assuming "people killed" means as such) = .207% of total murders. Regarding 47 racially motivated terrorism deaths for 3 years running, that amounts to .096 % of total murder deaths.

I understand there is a number attributable to white on other race murders. I also understand probability and the irrationality of what scares humans. I suspect we're all being manipulated to divide us.
 
From yesterday regarding the idea that White Supremacy is a "myth."



https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/15/poli...hs-rise-domestic-violent-extremism/index.html

I am not doubting white supremacy exists in some parts of society but I like how they cherry-picked two years when if you go back farther there were a ton of non-white supremacy shootings. Also if you look at the overall murder rate you are more likely to be killed in a gang-related shooting in Chicago or Nawlins or some rando whose mail wasn't delivered by 10am than by a white supremacist.
 
https://abc7news.com/fremont-sexual-assault-alexander-lomax-asian-woman-sex-attacked/10634618/

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Credit to local news ABC 7 for putting up the mug shot and not burying it.
 
From yesterday regarding the idea that White Supremacy is a "myth."

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/15/poli...hs-rise-domestic-violent-extremism/index.html

I mean, anybody who has watched a couple of episodes of Jerry Springer even knows that it is not a myth, they could always drag some Klan knucklehead out of this trailer to get punched in the face by a couple of other guys, but the myth is the secret bogeyman of White Supremacy Illuminati pulling strings.

The White Supremacists are about as rare as Antifa Communists. There are some out there, they are evil, but they are not so common as to be worth worrying about much.

What was the number, 24 people killed? In the USA, that isn't even worth noticing. In 2016, 40 people were killed by fucking lightning strikes. In 2015 it was 27. :dunno

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/death-index-top-50-ways-americans-die/4/
 
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