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Barf Slow Your Roll" Lane Splitting Campaign

I don't think preaching to the choir is going to accomplish much. Motorcycling is undeniably more dangerous than driving a car. Most drivers don't understand nor care about the 15mph delta or nuances about how splitting traffic can be safer. Illegal lane change, reckless driving, speeding, loud exhaust: these are the things that piss people off and they're already illegal. If people were really concerned with safety then hi-viz protective gear and training would be mandatory.

I understand this is all with good intentions, but idiot motorcycle riders piss people off all across the country. It really has nothing to do with the fact lane splitting isn't legislated. Educate people on this fact, and how the things that piss them off are ALREADY illegal, and what they're really asking for is more stringent enforcement of traffic laws. That should reduce the level of support to folks who never touch their phone, never speed, and always use their turn signal. :laughing

So... we can count you out then? Check.

What would you do to help promote safer behavior amongst your fellow riders?
 
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This thread has had a positive effect on me. I'm normally pretty good about polite splitting but sometimes I get a bug up my ass and ride more agressively than is wise. I've been more thoughtful and remind myself that I'm not saving any time by being an idiot. Sometimes when I have a bad day I take it out on the bike. Not a good thing. I've had a bad week but I kept the riding in check by pre-meditating on how I'm going to ride.

Now that my commute is only 15 miles each way makes it easier. When it was 40 I'd start out good...but 20 miles in I'd start to lose my good intentions.
 
So... we can count you out then? Check.

What would you do to help promote safer behavior amongst your fellow riders?

Ahh...the old "If you're not with us you're against us" :hand

As I interpret the thread, it was focused on how to preserve lane splitting, not how to improve rider safety. My opinion is that the relationship is overrated and letting people know the assholish behavior they see is already covered by existing laws is a more effective route to pursue.

The reality is that this is about asshole politicians who use legislation as a notch in the belt of their political career. It's about sensationalism and emotion in the spirit of yellow journalism more than a rational approach to problem solving. Riding with happy faces on our jackets won't matter. Scaring politicians by demonstrating political clout will. Bickering about nuances in a proposed law won't matter either...perhaps calling it as the toothless unnecessary legislation it really is might.

And FWIW, I generally follow the original CHP guidelines and the simple philosophy of DBAD. That includes being a courteous driver whether I'm in my car or on the bike.
 
Ahh...the old "If you're not with us you're against us" :hand

Not at all

As I interpret the thread, it was focused on how to preserve lane splitting, not how to improve rider safety. My opinion is that the relationship is overrated and letting people know the assholish behavior they see is already covered by existing laws is a more effective route to pursue.

Again, not at all. The thread is about developing a campaign to show drivers that lane sharing is safe and smart. To show them there are many riders who ride conscientiously, courteously and safely and we appreciate their acceptance of that reality. It's also about educating new and existing riders of the simple courtesies and etiquette that go a long way toward safe travels on a moto.

The reality is that this is about asshole politicians who use legislation as a notch in the belt of their political career. It's about sensationalism and emotion in the spirit of yellow journalism more than a rational approach to problem solving. Riding with happy faces on our jackets won't matter. Scaring politicians by demonstrating political clout will. Bickering about nuances in a proposed law won't matter either...perhaps calling it as the toothless unnecessary legislation it really is might.

OK, that's nothing new. One of the tools at our disposal for dealing with the issues we're dealt is what you're reading right here, and it has to start somewhere. Yes, it's useless legislation, but it's out there now and there's no going back. The best thing we can do is to convince all those car drivers that lane sharing is really OK and it will actually help reduce the Bay Area's horrific commute traffic.

So with that in mind, where is this political clout we need going to come from? If we can't get people on our side, the very least we can do is make it an non-issue for car drivers. Show them there are responsible people behind this effort. We're doctors, engineers, professionals, college-degreed, tax paying participants in society. We have children, homes, grand children. We are responsible people. If the practice simply becomes more accepted, there is less likelihood of more poor legislation.

The participants in this thread are looking for ways to help. You've made a couple of very good points, but don't stop there. If you can recognize the problem, you should be able to help work out a solution.

And FWIW, I generally follow the original CHP guidelines and the simple philosophy of DBAD. That includes being a courteous driver whether I'm in my car or on the bike.

That is truly great, you are part of the solution. If you do nothing else your actions will be seen by many and at the very least, you'll be teaching by example.

So don't get all caught-up in the 'elected' politics of the issue, make a difference where you can, on the street, with the rest of us voters. :thumbup
 
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Had a near miss this morning when a driver decided on an abrupt sans signal lane change. I was riding within guidelines in crawling traffic and able to avoid, albeit a genuine panic stop situation. Had me wondering what the surrounding drivers were thinking?

a) Stupid driver, good thing the motorcyclist was able to avoid

b) Stupid lane splitters just asking for trouble like this

c) Damn auto-correct

I'd like to think otherwise, but firmly suspect most non-riders are in categories b or c. Riding responsibly is always a good thing, but it seems the most effective argument isn't for our own safety, but convincing drivers how it benefits THEM. Short of that it seems like any publicity is good publicity...for the people who want to ban or restrict it. :(


edit: Another thought. If they DO pass a 15mph differential, how is that going to work out on a multi-lane highway where speed differentials can easily vary by more than 15mph per lane
 
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Glad you were good George.

You think if you were going faster than the 15 speed differential it would have been trouble??

Discussing this a bit with AMA/ OTS at this point.
Surj and I still have homework to complete though.

Anyone hear the Radio PSA's going now... by the CHP and OTS??
 
The two real benefits to lane splitting and riding a motorcycle are:

1. Environmentally friendly

2. Less traffic congestion

Riding a motorcycle is a low impact form of street transportation yet so many look at riding as a sport, something only done for the danger, the speed, the imagine and so on.

Unlike this country, the motorcycle was key in the rebuilding of some war torn countrys after WWII. There would be Ducati if there was no war. They saw the motorcycle as cheap form of transportion.

This country never really has looked at riding a motorcycle like this. Maybe it's time.

I know it's way cheaper to use my seca than my van, needs less road to go from point a to b than my van, uses less oil and tires than my van, pollutes less than my van.

Actually riding a motorcycle shows one cares for the environment....more so than driving a car.
 
I'd be careful on the environmental impact part.

Fact is that most motorcycles pollute worse than cars...and it doesn't help that so many riders install aftermarket exhausts. Fuel economy is a poor argument too. Motorcycles COULD be a more economical and environmentally friendly option...they just aren't in practice.

The traffic congestion and parking are what we should focus on IMO :thumb up

BTW: The jackass who hosts the stoplanesplitting site seems dubious (massage list?)
https://whoisology.com/archive_10/hobbyistchat.com

Might be good to see iff someone can grab the registration in January and post up some truthful information instead of the one sided hyperbole
 
Glad you were good George.

You think if you were going faster than the 15 speed differential it would have been trouble??

Discussing this a bit with AMA/ OTS at this point.
Surj and I still have homework to complete though.

Anyone hear the Radio PSA's going now... by the CHP and OTS??

To be fair, traffic was nearly stopped and she just darted over without looking. She could have just as easily done so when I was along side. Speed would't have matter much in avoiding...just how much it would have hurt :p
 
fwiw, when traffic gets under 10mph, my senses go on full alert to see where gaps may exist. Not so that I can fill them, but so I can identify where a car may try to go to beat the traffic.
 
To be fair, traffic was nearly stopped and she just darted over without looking. She could have just as easily done so when I was along side. Speed would't have matter much in avoiding...just how much it would have hurt :p

I've had a few close calls with this scenario and it's unsettling to say the least. My thoughts on this are a bit conflicted. On one hand you have the rider who's just going about his quasi-legal lane-splitting business and on the other you have a driver making a lane change w/out signal. I'd like to get a CHP's honest opinion on how often they actually ticket/warn people that change lanes w/out a signal. I'd venture to guess it's an infrequent occurrence at best. Back to the scenario; the driver may take a quick glance and not see anything then make the change. They may not see the bike due to a number of things; inattentiveness, blindspot due to car's construction, blindspot due to bike's location in lane or the fact the bike was just travelling in too high a speed delta. Obviously, we cannot change the person's inattentiveness, car's blindspot due to construction, so those are variables we cannot control, but the delta and bike position can be controlled, which this thread is doing, sort of. However, I think the biggest thing we need to present and draw awareness to is the fact that unsignaled lane changes are a big factor in most lanesplitting accidents that is easily avoidable and that needs to be remedied to help ensure lane-splitters safety. Also, in that scenario, car makes unsignaled lane change and hits lanesplitter, who would be at-fault? I've often assumed, and maybe not correctly, than any accident I had while lane-splitting would find me at fault. Anyone know the details on that? I'd like to know real-world findings here and not just speculation if at all possible.
 
I've had a few close calls with this scenario and it's unsettling to say the least. My thoughts on this are a bit conflicted. On one hand you have the rider who's just going about his quasi-legal lane-splitting business and on the other you have a driver making a lane change w/out signal. I'd like to get a CHP's honest opinion on how often they actually ticket/warn people that change lanes w/out a signal. I'd venture to guess it's an infrequent occurrence at best. Back to the scenario; the driver may take a quick glance and not see anything then make the change. They may not see the bike due to a number of things; inattentiveness, blindspot due to car's construction, blindspot due to bike's location in lane or the fact the bike was just travelling in too high a speed delta. Obviously, we cannot change the person's inattentiveness, car's blindspot due to construction, so those are variables we cannot control, but the delta and bike position can be controlled, which this thread is doing, sort of. However, I think the biggest thing we need to present and draw awareness to is the fact that unsignaled lane changes are a big factor in most lanesplitting accidents that is easily avoidable and that needs to be remedied to help ensure lane-splitters safety. Also, in that scenario, car makes unsignaled lane change and hits lanesplitter, who would be at-fault? I've often assumed, and maybe not correctly, than any accident I had while lane-splitting would find me at fault. Anyone know the details on that? I'd like to know real-world findings here and not just speculation if at all possible.

Signals are just a way of communicating with other drivers. The other end of the spectrum (and more of a problem IMO) are erratic and/or sudden movements that other drivers are unable to predict or react too. In this case the girl didn't even have a gap to move into, but just quickly darted into the next lane in the attempt to MAKE a gap. I do this all the time, but do it slowly (and with a signal).
 
The two real benefits to lane splitting and riding a motorcycle are:
Nice positive post. Thanks, mang. :thumbup
Had me wondering what the surrounding drivers were thinking?
I know what I am thinking. I am thinking what KazMan posted below. It is amazing that in all the times that I have split lanes, I can remember only one close call. And that was someone changing lanes where there was no where to go. The cars around him had to take evasive action along with me.
fwiw, when traffic gets under 10mph, my senses go on full alert to see where gaps may exist. Not so that I can fill them, but so I can identify where a car may try to go to beat the traffic.
I am always on full alert with gaps at any speed. Period.
I'd like to get a CHP's honest opinion on how often they actually ticket/warn people that change lanes w/out a signal. I'd venture to guess it's an infrequent occurrence at best. .......
I think the biggest thing we need to present and draw awareness to is the fact that unsignaled lane changes are a big factor in most lanesplitting accidents that is easily avoidable and that needs to be remedied to help ensure lane-splitters safety. ......
CHP officers have covered this subject more than once, here. Some never ticket for no signal on the freeway. Some do, but only if it effects another driver.

I think you are wrong. We need to be responsible for ourselves. Stop looking for signals. No one signals, anymore - anywhere. Haven't you noticed? Look for other signs, like gaps in traffic, turned wheels, slowing, etc.. Keep yourself alive, the drivers won't do it for you.:)
 
Signals are just a way of communicating with other drivers. The other end of the spectrum (and more of a problem IMO) are erratic and/or sudden movements that other drivers are unable to predict or react too. In this case the girl didn't even have a gap to move into, but just quickly darted into the next lane in the attempt to MAKE a gap. I do this all the time, but do it slowly (and with a signal).
Was posting while you posted. I will let my post stand for general information, though. M'kay?
 
I think you are wrong. We need to be responsible for ourselves. Stop looking for signals. No one signals, anymore - anywhere. Haven't you noticed? Look for other signs, like gaps in traffic, turned wheels, slowing, etc.. Keep yourself alive, the drivers won't do it for you.:)


I'm not advocating anyone not be responsible, just merely pointing out an obvious change in behavior that would help us when lanesplitting. CHP tickets more for unsignaled changes = more revenue + makes it slightly safer for us lanesplitting, seems like a win-win to me.
 
fwiw, when traffic gets under 10mph, my senses go on full alert to see where gaps may exist. Not so that I can fill them, but so I can identify where a car may try to go to beat the traffic.

I am always on full alert with gaps at any speed. Period.

I concur. I guess a better way of putting it, is my algorithm is different for <10 mph with a higher probability that a car will dart to a gap than when travelling at >20 mph as their movement is more fluid and identifiable....if that makes sense.

I still ride like everything is trying to kill me.

The other thing I notice on my commute, and something we as riders could be more cognizant about. Is that when a cager uses a signal well in advance, perhaps give them that opportunity to move. I sometimes see a rider get what I think is adequate distance for notification and then fills the gap swerving across the lanes to avoid being hit by the car that was already coming over.

These are typically the ones that will split the other side of a car while passing us and/or split us both pushing their way through. But that's what the drivers see and remember, not that others are courteous and working with them to get home.
 
...I know what I am thinking. I am thinking what KazMan posted below. It is amazing that in all the times that I have split lanes, I can remember only one close call. And that was someone changing lanes where there was no where to go. The cars around him had to take evasive action along with me.

Agreed, and I was already in paranoid mode. Also wasn't really that close, just obvious to the drivers around me.

It was the OTHER DRIVERS I was speculating about. What would THEIR thoughts be about seeing a motorcycle in the gap braking hard as a car switched lanes? Positive (motorcycle driving responsibly avoided an accident) or negative (damn motorcycle almost taken out because they were lane splitting)

It's relevant to the discussion because this thread seems predicated on opponents of lane splitting acting in a rational manner. I'm all for safety, weeding out dickish driving, and might even sport a friendly and catchy sticker. But I don't believe a rider oriented behavior and safety campaign is going to make any difference with the lane splitting debate. The issue is already on the radar, and the bad examples will always be there. Unless you can show people that splitting benefits THEM then they have little reason to support us.

How about a sticker with something like" "Splitting is faster for ALL of us"
 
Or how about a battery of slogans - say top three. Tee or vest with each and rider choose which to buy/wear.

Sharing Helps Everyone (is Faster for All of Us)
Sharing is Caring
Thanks for Sharing

Also:
Slow Your Roll (or whatever) for that half of the campaign.
 
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