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Bay area housing market

I sold last month and made about 20% after the 7% in fees.

You paid full fare on the fees? Houses are selling themselves right now, and inventory is tight. Seems like an excellent time to squeeze the real estate agents. I'm going to put my house on the market soon, and I know it will sell in a couple days, no way in hell am I paying my agent 3% and some buyer's agent 3% for a house his client found on the internet, anyway.
 
Ditto on the stock market.

I don't know. There are some pretty well-supported arguments that the markets are overvalued.

Shiller's CAPE, which seems like a very rational way to measure value is far over historical norms (25 vs 16). Standard PE is ~20 right now.

OTOH, if you look at that chart and overlay it with the inception and rise of 401(k) inception and participation as well as small investors getting more access to brokers online it could be that those historical norms are trending permanently. Dare I say "new normal"? Maybe not. :laughing
 
You paid full fare on the fees? Houses are selling themselves right now, and inventory is tight. Seems like an excellent time to squeeze the real estate agents. I'm going to put my house on the market soon, and I know it will sell in a couple days, no way in hell am I paying my agent 3% and some buyer's agent 3% for a house his client found on the internet, anyway.

Yup, if you're using a realtor in this market with a standard percentage you're getting (got) hustled. If your home is valued over 300k (everywhere) either sell it yourself, or go with a flat fee place. You're paying some retard to fill out forms for you, not sell a house.
 
7% is high anyways lol, I think 6% is median and practically anybody will do 5%. Like I said, over 300k there's no way I wouldn't just do a flat fee place. You got got
 
When I bought my house in 2009, I didn't even have to pay my realtor a commission. The seller paid for both commissions.
 
When I bought my house in 2009, I didn't even have to pay my realtor a commission. The seller paid for both commissions.

that's common in this market

as a buyer paying over ask, finding the damn house myself, and using a realtor to simply fill out forms... I am not paying them, the seller can :x
 
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I don't know. There are some pretty well-supported arguments that the markets are overvalued.

Shiller's CAPE, which seems like a very rational way to measure value is far over historical norms (25 vs 16). Standard PE is ~20 right now.

OTOH, if you look at that chart and overlay it with the inception and rise of 401(k) inception and participation as well as small investors getting more access to brokers online it could be that those historical norms are trending permanently. Dare I say "new normal"? Maybe not. :laughing

You have to consider there are few alternatives. CD's don't pay jackshit. Bonds are "OK" but at risk once rates start to rise.
 
that's common in this market

as a buyer paying over ask, finding the damn house myself, and using a realtor to simply fill out forms... I am not paying them, the seller can :x

I didn't pay the commission when I sold the house in 2013 either. :teeth
 
It is actually standard for the seller to pay both commissions unless otherwise negotiated in advance.
 
I think alot of people who are claiming this to be a bubble are just bitter they missed the boat.

Perhaps a mod could pull up old threads from 2006-2008. I remember this exact exchange (not from you).

Markets, real estate in particular, is cyclical. Prices will drop. The question is how much it will drop.
 
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