crazy man at 16th St BART (NSFW)

[Hundo]

One member on BARF shows up in a busy thread, where the word "pussy" is being thrown around quite freely to describe civilians that did not engage a possibly drugged-out maniac who was assaulting random women, and claims to know the possibly drugged-out maniac.

The thread goes very quiet, very quickly.

Pot meet Kettle; Kettle: Pot.

 

[Entoptic]

Is 'stilt' a euphemism?

yup its for broken down 250cc

One member on BARF shows up in a busy thread, where the word "pussy" is being thrown around quite freely to describe civilians that did not engage a possibly drugged-out maniac who was assaulting random women, and claims to know the possibly drugged-out maniac.

The thread goes very quiet, very quickly.

Pot meet Kettle; Kettle: Pot.

 

[jdhu]

One member on BARF shows up in a busy thread, where the word "pussy" is being thrown around quite freely to describe civilians that did not engage a possibly drugged-out maniac who was assaulting random women, and claims to know the possibly drugged-out maniac.

The thread goes very quiet, very quickly.

Pot meet Kettle; Kettle: Pot.

Popcorn? So, you are saying non-pussy BARFers should/would call out...well I have no idea what you are saying. But, popcorn for now...

 

[Beauregard]

That dude is my fuckin hero.

 

[mean dad]

yup its for broken down 250cc

Ouch!!

 

[Outta Control]

Looks like someone doesn't like you that much Entopic.

 

[Shaggy]

Who said anything about shooting him?

I didn't.

You assumed that's what I meant. What I said was basically an armed populace is far less likely to be the victim of crime. This guy might not have chosen to become a rabid dog on the loose had he known he would be in the presence of several armed citizens well trained in the use of their firearms instead of a field full of defenseless sheep begging to be taken advantage of.

You won't consider for a second that criminals that know they will come up against an unarmed populace have no fear.

If I was carrying in that situation and that crazy motherfucker approached me or my family, I wouldn't hesitate for a second to drop him after warning him. I'd shoot him in the leg(s) first and if that didn't work, I'd take it to the next level.

You see, I'm choosing to take care of myself instead of waiting forever for the police to show up 24 minutes later with the yellow crime scene tape and the body bags for the victims. You seem to follow the liberal media spin machine that buries the stories and statistics of just how many crimes are thwarted by armed citizens.

It's a shame that this is the case. It should be common knowledge. Criminals would be less likely to commit crime if they actually knew just how many armed people prevented themselves from turning into victims. The vast majority of gun owners are responsible, law abiding people who don't use their weapons offensively. You buy into the myth that a gun is not a defensive weapon and that an armed citizen is automatically dangerous and incapable of handling the situation.

You couldn't be more wrong.

Thank you for further proving my point.

I'll also address some other misconceptions in your post. You're assuming that dudes dusted in PCP have the ability to reason and weigh consequences of their actions performed on an armed populace. People under the influence of PCP do not have the ability to reason and do not care.

It is a disassociative analgesic. They are in another world with which you cannot communicate and feel no pain. Shoot him in the legs all you want. The only way to control someone blasted on PCP is with a Taser (because of neuromuscular incapacitation, not pain compliance), brute strength of like 10 cops, or put lots of holes in his body where blood will leak from and his heart stops working.

Using a gun on another person is always lethal force. Doesn't matter where you shoot someone. If you think this was a lethal force situation, you're sorely mistaken.

 

[Entoptic]

Looks like someone doesn't like you that much Entopic.

the horror of it all He is gonna hate me even more now that I linked his non private skype info to Nigeria, Comcast and military recruiters.

Ouch!!

It was there... I had to go with it...

 

[mean dad]

Out of curiosity, would a choke hold do much to someone that's dusted? Assuming you can get your arm in position and tighten, or would he have enough strength to fight through?

 

[MikeyRocks]

This guy is becoming an internet sensation. I know we're all under the same impression that this guy was on PCP, but have they actually confirmed that he was under the influence, or just having a mental breakdown?

I'd like to run some tests on PCP to debunk some of the myths here on Barf. Who would like to be the guinea pig?

 

[Outta Control]

... The only way to control someone blasted on PCP is with a Taser (because of neuromuscular incapacitation, not pain compliance), brute strength of like 10 cops, or put lots of holes in his body where blood will leak from and his heart stops working...

I have yet to meet a civilian carrying a Taser, let alone some LEO agencies do not use Taser. So your point is logical in dealing with this person it is unrealistic.

 

[Entoptic]

Out of curiosity, would a choke hold do much to someone that's dusted? Assuming you can get your arm in position and tighten, or would he have enough strength to fight through?

Yes. Regardless of how jacked someone is if you cut off the blood supply to the brain the body stops working and its sleepy time. With that being said I have no idea what the person would do when they woke up and you better be using a choke hold that stops the supply of O2 to the brain and not some windpipe choke cause I don't think that would do anything except kill the guy which no one really wants to do.

 

[Outta Control]

Out of curiosity, would a choke hold do much to someone that's dusted? Assuming you can get your arm in position and tighten, or would he have enough strength to fight through?

Yes. Temporarily shutting down the circulation to the brain always works. It would take the conscious support from Sheepdogs, not Sheeple, to step-up and intervene.

 

[n10sive]

Yes. Regardless of how jacked someone is if you cut off the blood supply to the brain the body stops working and its sleepy time. With that being said I have no idea what the person would do when they woke up.

The point is...this isn't a gym or class room where everything is controlled. Good luck taking your training to the street on someone dusted on PCP. They are the biggest fear any police officer faces from stories I have heard. I believe the term "Polyester Pig Pile" was born out of trying to subdue these guys

edit: btw, someone mentioned he looked like Ben Henderson...was thinking the same thing. Wonder how long it would take you to get him to submit SOBER!

 

[Shaggy]

Out of curiosity, would a choke hold do much to someone that's dusted? Assuming you can get your arm in position and tighten, or would he have enough strength to fight through?

A carotid restraint would work, but very briefly (between half a second and 5 seconds probably). PCP increases the pulse rate, so blood returns to the brain very quickly. When it does, be prepared for the guy to be twice as violent as before.

 

[Entoptic]

The point is...this isn't a gym or class room where everything is controlled. Good luck taking your training to the street on someone dusted on PCP. They are the biggest fear any police officer faces from stories I have heard. I believe the term "Polyester Pig Pile" was born out of trying to subdue these guys

edit: btw, someone mentioned he looked like Ben Henderson...was thinking the same thing. Wonder how long it would take you to get him to submit SOBER!

You are correct. I am not saying its gym or a class room. The question was can it work and the answer is yes. The question wasn't when and were you would use it.

The reason police fear this shit is because they aren't allowed to use certain moves in fighting. They are weapon based and not really triangle or naked choke based guys from what I understand.

Jump meet conclusions.

 

[asthmodeus]

Yes. Regardless of how jacked someone is if you cut off the blood supply to the brain the body stops working and its sleepy time. With that being said I have no idea what the person would do when they woke up and you better be using a choke hold that stops the supply of O2 to the brain and not some windpipe choke cause I don't think that would do anything except kill the guy which no one really wants to do.

this...a blood choke will work on anything....except maybe cold blooded shit, i dunno, but good luck trying to sink a guillotine or rear (naked, lol) choke on a duster without getting bit the hell up.

 

[Shaggy]

I have yet to meet a civilian carrying a Taser, let alone some LEO agencies do not use Taser. So your point is logical in dealing with this person it is unrealistic.

I think you're trying to say my comment is unrealistic? I was speaking from a law enforcement perspective because I am a police officer. I was just explaining how difficult it is to deal with someone under the influence of PCP, even for people with training and proper equipment, let alone a citizen walking to a BART train on their way to/from work.

However, Taser International does make civilian model Tasers.

 

[n10sive]

The reason police fear this shit is because they aren't allowed to use certain moves in fighting. They are weapon based and not really triangle or naked choke based guys from what I understand.

Jump meet conclusions.

Well...you often talk about your one year of training in a lot of BARF threads on how to react to situations on the street. So no jumping here. Figured that based on your posts that if you were there we would have seen you in the video going all kung fu on his ass. Would have liked to have seen you get the guy in a triangle hold

And are you speaking form experience about what police are allowed to use? Many departments teach their officers techniques other than the choke hold (which has been banned all over the place due to the risk of causing more damage than good). My son is allowed to use all his MMA training and often uses leg sweeps, arm bars and other pain compliance techniques when there is a compelling reason to use them. He just can't dislocate or break things.

 

[Entoptic]

:??? I think you're trying to say my comment is unrealistic? I was speaking from a law enforcement perspective because I am a police officer. I was just explaining how difficult it is to deal with someone under the influence of PCP, even for people with training and proper equipment, let alone a citizen walking to a BART train on their way to/from work.

However, Taser International does make civilian model Tasers.

What about using an old school trident and net method minus the trident? Like Predators bladed net without the blades.