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Digital SLR / DSLR Camera Question / DSLR Thread 2

Charles R said:
I was bummed I couldn't get a pic in. I had the idea, (which I'll still shoot one of these days) but the new job just ran me ragged.

I didn't even realize the time was up, until I saw the poll posted.:wow

Envy would be a fun one too. :thumbup
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Wot 'e said, verbatim. Started at a start-up. Fun, but, bloody hell...
 
So we going to do this shoot thing again??

Here is a Ducati pic for you all

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Lightroom question over here!

We talked about this a while back, the whole issue of importing and managing RAW files -- specifically how Lightroom's default interpretation of the image (or Picasa, or what have you) is sometimes vastly different than what we see on the back of the camera, or in a JPG file.

So then...

Is there a preset I can create to just apply a couple of tweaks to contrast, brightness, saturation, sharpness, etc.?

What are the settings you use to tweak your images every time you import RAW files to Lightroom and begin developing them? E.g., Contrast +10, Saturation +20, et cetera.

I understand this is a bit like shooting a moving target, but yeah...
 
VeloceMoto said:
Lightroom question over here!

We talked about this a while back, the whole issue of importing and managing RAW files -- specifically how Lightroom's default interpretation of the image (or Picasa, or what have you) is sometimes vastly different than what we see on the back of the camera, or in a JPG file.

So then...

Is there a preset I can create to just apply a couple of tweaks to contrast, brightness, saturation, sharpness, etc.?

What are the settings you use to tweak your images every time you import RAW files to Lightroom and begin developing them? E.g., Contrast +10, Saturation +20, et cetera.

I understand this is a bit like shooting a moving target, but yeah...
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Yes - dunno how to do custom import settings yet, as I usually do 1-off's. There is an import setting in Photoshop that can be universally applied, and the settings saved.

But in Lightroom, click File, Import Photos From Disk..., select the files you want, click Choose.

Now there's an Import dialog, you can change the Develop Settings (drop-down list).

Didn't see a Custom option there, but I would guess you can create that somewhere else - maybe after importing and changing stuff? Hope that gets you started tho.

EDIT - here it is:

Create a Develop preset
Presets you create are based on the current settings of the selected photo.

1.In the Develop module, click the Create New Preset (+) button at the top of the Presets panel or choose Develop > New Preset.
2.Click Check All to select everything or click Check None to deselect everything, and then click to select each of the settings to include in the preset.
3.Type a name in the Preset Name box, specify which folder the preset should appear in, and click Create.
The preset is added to the list in the Presets panel in the specified folder.


In plain English, click Develop on the top right. Then click the "+" next to 'Presets' on the left pane. Win.

http://help.adobe.com/en_US/Lightro...5.html#WSBCC0F130-E5D2-44e4-937B-3928631F1E8C
 
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Joebar4000 said:
Yes - dunno how to do custom import settings yet, as I usually do 1-off's. There is an import setting in Photoshop that can be universally applied, and the settings saved.

But in Lightroom, click File, Import Photos From Disk..., select the files you want, click Choose.

Now there's an Import dialog, you can change the Develop Settings (drop-down list).

Didn't see a Custom option there, but I would guess you can create that somewhere else - maybe after importing and changing stuff? Hope that gets you started tho.

EDIT - here it is:

Create a Develop preset
Presets you create are based on the current settings of the selected photo.

1.In the Develop module, click the Create New Preset (+) button at the top of the Presets panel or choose Develop > New Preset.
2.Click Check All to select everything or click Check None to deselect everything, and then click to select each of the settings to include in the preset.
3.Type a name in the Preset Name box, specify which folder the preset should appear in, and click Create.
The preset is added to the list in the Presets panel in the specified folder.


In plain English, click Develop on the top right. Then click the "+" next to 'Presets' on the left pane. Win.

http://help.adobe.com/en_US/Lightro...5.html#WSBCC0F130-E5D2-44e4-937B-3928631F1E8C
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No, no... I get how to create a preset. What I'm asking is: when you open up your RAW image for the first time in Lightroom, what are the settings you typically change, and by how much?

I've been dabbling around with a recent RAW image I shot, but I just can't seem to get it to pop, or look normal, like my JPGs -- or when I do, I tend to overdo it. It would be nice to find the right basic tweaks, save 'em in a preset and apply them as a default to all imports, as a good base.
 
But, but, that's what I said... find the settings you like when you're in the Develop tab, then save that as a preset in the "+" Preset... then you use 'Import' and set your preset to be applied to all.

Not sure what I'm missing here :shrugs

If you mean the SPECIFIC changes your're making, well, fuct if I know :laughing

I usually don't. About the only universal thing I'll apply is white balance.

The camera should give you a vague idea of what's changed if you look at the filter applied when it saves as a .jpg. But actual values? No idea. Not sure if there's a way to find out. Try looking in the EXIF data in the file?
 
You're shooting raw, meaning you're gonna want to spend the time making sure you got it right. If you want to develop with presets only, preset it correct in camera and shoot jpeg. At least, thats my take on it
 
I'm just looking for a good preset to use for a base setting, if you will.

I've been playing with this one image I have for a good hour now.

Really, this is difficult!

Manipulating the tones, presence, white balance and detail -- without going overboard, is an art.

That's the trick. "Without going overboard". It's easy to boost saturation to 9,000, sharpen, set an S-curve and call it good, but it's almost always not.

Subtlety is key.

*sigh*
 
develop tab--> scroll down to camera calibration, then change profile...
you will retain the camera profile color...

then if you want to do it to all the files.
select the first photo then SHIFT click the last
one you want to change, everything in between
will be highlighted then just click " sync settings"
 
I got my photo's of the walnut creek lumber fire on channel 7 news lastnight. They are posted up on their webpage now, under piedmont lumber fire.

I tried to get some tonight but the police ran me off. I couldnt cross the street unless I had a press pass. I need to get my hands on one of those. I have a family member that works for nbc nightly, I put in a call to see if I can get one.
 
Very cool, 750_sport. Got some links?


VeloceMoto said:
Another way of asking:

What are a handful of settings I can use on every Lightroom import to get me in the ballpark?
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There isn't going to be one set of changes that's going to do the same thing for all of your photos. The hardware built into the camera (AFAIK) analyses each image and 'optimizes' it before rendering to JPEG.

To get close to what you want, you're probably going to want to shoot several reference photos in RAW and JPEG and tweak the RAW to look like the JPEG. I'd prolly want to create 'profiles' for minimally: landscape, city night, incandescent portrait, flash portrait, daylight portrait. Then I'd apply the appropriate one to the content upon import.


VeloceMoto said:
I'm just looking for a good preset to use for a base setting, if you will.

I've been playing with this one image I have for a good hour now.

Really, this is difficult!

Manipulating the tones, presence, white balance and detail -- without going overboard, is an art.

That's the trick. "Without going overboard". It's easy to boost saturation to 9,000, sharpen, set an S-curve and call it good, but it's almost always not.

Subtlety is key.

*sigh*
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Yep, that's why:

- I used to spend more time in the darkroom than shooting
- It takes me a long time to upload shots from BARF Social Events (or anything, really)
- It takes a lot of practice to get good (and fast) at it
- Some people can get a usable image out of nearly anything and take an OK image and make it good
- Only a few people can take a good image and make it great

You have to learn to be able to look at an image and its histograms and know what it needs — much like a chef can take a set of basic ingredients on a table and rattle off how each element should be cut and cooked and what spices to add in what amounts and when.

Now for a shoot (more often concert photography or BARF events than anything else), I've gotten where I average about three minutes per image. It's definitely not fast, but they wind up being better than the average snapshots that are just pulled from the camera and uploaded. I wind up going through a set in several passes to optimize the time: reject bad photos, straighten & crop, white balance & basic exposure & basic contrast, fine tuning the better images. I do them in passes because they wind up being in similar groups where there were similar conditions and after I get settings for one I can take those settings and apply them to the rest of the group.

So, 50 images or so will take me about three hours to image edit... unless I get a good one... then I can easily spend 30 to 60 minutes on one image.


You might want to check these out to compare some photos 'as shot' with the finals in my 'three minute process'. These were a while ago so it might have been closer to a 'five minute process', and, IIRC, I was mainly trying to get these out fast so the 1Rider volunteers could 'get some appreciation' ASAP:

A selection of images as shot:
http://homepage.mac.com/mosquito/20090404-1Rider-STP-BapExamples/

The full sets as published:
http://homepage.mac.com/mosquito/20090404-1Rider-STP/
http://homepage.mac.com/mosquito/20090404-1Rider-STP-Set2/

You'll have to dig through the published ones to match up the 'as shot' ones.


Ever play speed chess? For the amount of time spent, you often wind up learning more the more games you play (the more photos you edit). It is good to spend a lot of time studying some good games (images), but past a point you get diminishing returns to your learning.

It's fun, ain't it? GL :eek:)
 
BrassPremier said:
anyone have a monitor color calibration tool, or know of one to recommend? Building a new pc and got a new monitor.
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I really like the X-Rite Eye-One I got at Keeble and Shuchat a few years ago. Hmm. They also have several Datacolor Spider 3 versions now too. Can't say anything about the differences though.
 
I live about a half mile from the fire. So it was a ooh black smoke.... ooh were is my cam..
 
hey guys, need advice. im going to disneyland in two weeks, and was planning on renting a lens to take down there. i want a wide angle. i have a canon xt body.

i was thinking the Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS... but not sure if theres a better choice for me. any thoughts?
 
That would be an excellent lens. I use my Nikon version of it for at least 60% of my shots. If I had to choose to live with only one lens I'd choose that out of my four: 35mm prime, 12-24mm, 17-55mm, 70-200mm.
 
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