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Dumb-assed change to schools, they must start later in the morning.

Just think about how education is viewed in this country. It's all secondary to whatever meme elon musk just posted on twitter.

Thats because we value celebrity and wealth more than education. And we place even more value on celebrity and wealth that was obtained without education. :laughing
 
I saw no mention in the reports about earlier bed times aside form 'kids want to stay up later'.

When I was a kid, we went to bed at 8:00 pm every night. How many kids go to bed before 10:00 pm these days?

I get that there may be a benefit to them sleeping in later, but how much gain is it over just putting them to bed earlier? Also, what is the cost vs benefit? For plenty of parents, the cost will not be negligable.

I would suggest reading a bit deeper on this, its not just a matter of how many hours of sleep, its when those hours are that also matters. What the research is showing is that "going to bed earlier" isn't really an option for most teenagers, their bodies just won't get optimal rest by going to bed earlier. Sure, they manage, but its far from optimal and shifting school schedules is a fairly easy way to improve academic outcomes.

Personally, I tend to relate since despite being almost 40 I have never shifted out of "teenager" sleep patterns. The difference in quality of life for me if I get up at 8:30 or 9:00 instead of 7:30 is huge and nothing I can do changes that.

Though as best I can tell I actually run on a 25-26 hour sleep cycle, sadly that is really awkward in modern life. I did once have a job were I lived above the shop and could work any hours I wanted. I found that left to my own devices I went to sleep one hour later each night until I would stay up until sunrise, skip a nights sleep and then go to bed early that night to restart the cycle.
 
Thats because we value celebrity and wealth more than education. And we place even more value on celebrity and wealth that was obtained without education. :laughing

I am happy to say that I've never been greedy. It's always pissed off my employers that I'm not really motivated by money.
 
What was the penalty for being late on rotation day. At my school it was a teacher telling you to go the class you belonged in. Nothing more.

Any actual penalty from school wasn’t the source of stress or anxiety really, just sprinting across campus to only find out you’re at the wrong class and have to sprint to the right class…on a test day. Plus everyone looking at you funny at both classrooms.
 
One of my kids is pissed, she’s gonna have to stay up even later now to do homework after sports, after eating a late dinner.

The other one, well, probably doesn’t even know what time school starts or ends anyway... still gonna be running behind!

I personally think it’s more unnecessary coddling.
 
What went into effect on 7/1/2022 is that High Schools can't start any sooner than 8:30 and Middle Schools can't start any earlier than 8:00.

The rational is that kids will get more sleep.

So, the easy to determine consequences:
1. Parent will have to go to work later, fucking up their work day, or they will have to pay $$$$ for pre school daycare.
2. Kids will be getting done later, doing after school activities later, eating later, starting their homework later which will lead to going to sleep later.

So, what has been accomplished? NOTHING! Except fucking up a shit ton of parents.

Does anybody think this was a good idea? Yeah, I'm pissed! I hate it when stupid, short-sighted people fuck up the lives of a bunch of people.

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I'm all for it. Anyone taking their High School aged kids to school is raising a lazy, entitled asshole.

Education after Grade school should be from 8:30am to 5:30pm. with a 1 hour lunch and (2) 15 minute breaks.

Of course kids should be also managing their own commute after 6th grade.

LOL, yes, I am Gen X and we got ourselves to and from school. :laughing
 
When I had a kid in high school, sleep problems weren't about start time, rather about the homework load. Way too much. Up past midnight working on homework was common, and there were more all nighters than I ever did at college.

Later start time is arguably a good idea. But they have bigger problems.
 
Could it be related to daylight wasting time?

You mean that shit we voted to stop doing but our dear leader decided to not do?
 
This is going to push a bunch of families over the line who were already hurting from extra food and fuel costs, not a bunch of them will be hit with daycare costs.

There are too many shit managers out there who DGAF about anybody but their own ambitions and aren't smart enough to really manage in the first place, so they manage with fear. They are not going to help out their workers who have kids.
 
Those people need to quit their jobs. Life is way too short to work for a shitty manager :twofinger
 
When I had a kid in high school, sleep problems weren't about start time, rather about the homework load. Way too much. Up past midnight working on homework was common, and there were more all nighters than I ever did at college.

As an AP nerd who was pertt much burnt out by the time I got to UCSC, I agree with you. Educational attitudes towards homework have changed at the grade school and middle school level, my kids had much less of it. I have no data on what it's like in Highschool now.
 
This is going to push a bunch of families over the line who were already hurting from extra food and fuel costs, not a bunch of them will be hit with daycare costs.

There are too many shit managers out there who DGAF about anybody but their own ambitions and aren't smart enough to really manage in the first place, so they manage with fear. They are not going to help out their workers who have kids.

Since when do middle school kids go to day care? :wtf :laughing

I'll take science over sensibilities every day. And yes, I have kids. I noticed they started changing the schedules in our area previously and it has had a positive impact on traffic not having all the schools starting at the same time.

But keep the "back in the day" type observations coming...they're entertaining :afm199
 
That wasn’t “balanced”, but you do you. The “late” start has been problematic but overall not terrible. What it accomplished in large urban districts is staggered the arrival times, and therefore the commute volume, which helps large swaths of the population. Just FYI, the state and a broad alliance of child psychologists and MDs threw this issue to individual districts and they borked it, hard. No agreement. So when that happens the heavy hand of the state come into the picture. Eh were

Real experience? Our staff said “sports will be super fucked by this and disaster will be upon us!” What actually happened? Students in outlying neighborhoods had wiggle room to get up and going in the am. When school started at 7:25am I had kids up at 4:45 Roget ready and get to the (shrinking) bus stops. They were FRIED by noon, so afternoon classes were hosed.

What’s disquieting, to say the least, is the notion that parent work schedules and sports should dictate start times. If you want to “go back” you would know this was not a consideration at all. School started when school started. Building the schedule around “work hours” (loosely defined) was specific to those communities and schools. When local entities FAILED to respond over a decade to the research and best practices for THEM due to petty time conflicts, the heavy hand of the state came down.

IMO this debate is driven by self interest and hyper individualism. Those taking a narrow focus are willfully ignoring that and worse, inflicting harm on outlining communities seeking better educational opportunities in the center of town, so to speak.

Calling dependent children “fat lazy pieces of shit” says more about you than the children. It’s hyperbole I know, but it’s harmful to those of us that are dedicated classroom teachers helping pull kids up by their bootstraps. It’s hard job. We don’t want or need aggressive parents denigrating the under resourced or struggling families. Empathy isn’t that hard, for most.

Life is hard. What I see in this post is a teacher who refuses to acknowledge that. I’ll give you an example.

Today, I got out of bed at 4:45AM in Agusta Georgia. I got to Agusta last night at about 6PM, after awaking at (goes back to schedule because can’t remember) 5AM in Rochester, NY. I’ve had 3 12 hour days in a row, with less than 12 hours to rest. Every overnight save for the last one has moved farther east, and started earlier. I’m finally headed home. No one has decided to revise my sleep schedule, my work schedule, or told me “you’ll do better if you get more sleep.” Why? Because I’m an adult. I know life is hard. I also had parents who said “it’s 9 o’clock, GO TO BED!” “and “NO ONE OWES YOU ANYTHING!”

I’ve been in this industry for nearly 20 years now. I’ve seen it change. I’ve seen it go from people who know that life is hard to people refusing to accept that. I’ve seen it go from everyone pulling their weight, knowing that their time is coming to people thinking it’s owed to them. I blame changes like this, and teachers like you for that. I see things getting “better” in the short term, and much worse in the long. I see people thinking and trying to make a meaningful impact only doing the opposite.

My house? “This isn’t a democracy. It’s a dictatorship. When you help pay the bills, go to bed without being told to, figure out how to make that dinner you just ate, and show me some responsibility, then the dictatorship will be over. Until then, my house, my rules. If you want to call CPS because of that, here, it’s ringing. I hope you enjoy foster care.”

If that makes me one of those aggressive parents you hate, good. What school do you work at so I know not to send my kids there? My job is to raise respectful kids who know how to find their place in society. You’re job is to teach them math, science, history, etc. Stay in your lane! I’m not upset if you don’t like that, but I will be if you think your job is to be their parent.

The fallacy that “kids will do better if we start school later” is preposterous. They’ll just go to bed later. There’s only so much time in the day, and most of it is already spoken for. You should know that by now, you’ve been adulting for long enough. It’s also ridiculous to equate drug and alcohol abuse to school start times. Many parents simply can’t drop kids off later than they already do. So they won’t. That will leave more kids the opportunity to be unsupervised. “But there will be staff on campus.” Great, provided that they actually go to campus.

Seems to me like they made this decision with a 10 foot view, not a 100ft one.
 
This is going to push a bunch of families over the line who were already hurting from extra food and fuel costs, not a bunch of them will be hit with daycare costs.

There are too many shit managers out there who DGAF about anybody but their own ambitions and aren't smart enough to really manage in the first place, so they manage with fear. They are not going to help out their workers who have kids.
man you are just a bucket of rainbows and unicorns today aren't ya :teeth
 
I’ll add that my exwife leaves town at 6:30AM to get to work on time, and drops the kids off at her mom’s who has to drop kids off at 7:30-7:40 so she can make it to work on time. Looks like my boy will be spending more time at school, unsupervised, and getting out later than he already does. It’s probably also going to mean that he won’t have time to have an after school job like he was hoping to have either. He’s probably going to have to quit when school starts back. He’s 15, got a work permit, and a job this summer, all on his own. He’s not an A student, but he passes every class.
 
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Mikey, Your work schedule sounds really hard and you sound really angry.
Maybe it's time to make a change man.
 
Since when do middle school kids go to day care? :wtf :laughing

I'll take science over sensibilities every day. And yes, I have kids. I noticed they started changing the schedules in our area previously and it has had a positive impact on traffic not having all the schools starting at the same time.

But keep the "back in the day" type observations coming...they're entertaining :afm199

My kids both went to on campus YMCA until middle school. My son was allowed to walk home to my parents who love about 2 miles from middle school. My daughter will start this year. But there was a ton of middle school kids at their YMCA, on an elementary campus. With “Schoolmof Choice” now a thing, some kids live 8-10 miles from school, parents are working in a different town until the evening, and have no other choice. Like I said, 10ft view, not 100ft view.
 
Mikey, Your work schedule sounds really hard and you sound really angry.
Maybe it's time to make a change man.

You kidding me. My work schedule is one of the best there is. I show up, work hard for three or four days, and go home for four or five. I average 16 days off a month. I love my job. What makes me angry is this state doing stupid shit like this, making things better for 5-10% of people, and harder for 50-60% of everyone else because they, once again, shot from the hip.
 
man you are just a bucket of rainbows and unicorns today aren't ya :teeth

Just pointing out that a lot of people don't have the luxury that some others do, every thing is a blow to their financial situation, something that the people who pushed this through never had to deal with and DGAF.

In the name of the Kids, they fuck the Parents. But, hey, you must suck as a parent if you aren't all on board with this because the people up above said so. :thumbdown

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