Dumb-assed change to schools, they must start later in the morning.

[mlm]

My kids both went to on campus YMCA until middle school. My son was allowed to walk home to my parents who love about 2 miles from middle school. My daughter will start this year. But there was a ton of middle school kids at their YMCA, on an elementary campus. With “Schoolmof Choice” now a thing, some kids live 8-10 miles from school, parents are working in a different town until the evening, and have no other choice. Like I said, 10ft view, not 100ft view.

The argument I responded to was daycare for middle school and above. You are reaching for outliers, and by your own words this has zero impact to you. The time change is a minor shift, not an increase in unsupervised time. I have yet to see anything convincing me this will make it harder for even a small percentage of people. The science behind it would justify it on a benefit for the majority

 

[byke]

You kidding me. My work schedule is one of the best there is. I show up, work hard for three or four days, and go home for four or five. I average 16 days off a month. I love my job. What makes me angry is this state doing stupid shit like this, making things better for 5-10% of people, and harder for 50-60% of everyone else because they, once again, shot from the hip.

That article sure makes me angry too. The me-de-uh, amirite? It's truly amazing how many big 50-60% problems there are like this in California that don't really seem to affect hardly any of us. I feel lucky to somehow always be able to avoid the problems that people complain about.

 

[Mike95060]

I am happy to say that I've never been greedy. It's always pissed off my employers that I'm not really motivated by money.

Same. It took me a while but, as soon as I could afford to NOT work overtime I stopped doing it. I have been a worker bee since I was 14, I feel zero shame in not putting in over 40 hrs/week. Money comes and goes but you never get a day back. That was a really hard lesson for me to learn.

 

[mlm]

That article sure makes me angry too. The me-de-uh, amirite? It's truly amazing how many big 50-60% problems there are like this in California that don't really seem to affect hardly any of us. I feel lucky to somehow always be able to avoid the problems that people complain about.

Don't forget, the first priority of schools is free day care. It's why education is so highly valued in this country LOL

And if your kids disagree, don't hesitate to beat the shit out of them. After all, you're trying to instill that violence is a legitimate problem solving tool. They'll thank you for that if they ever land in jail!

 

[ScarySpikes]

Just pointing out that a lot of people don't have the luxury that some others do, every thing is a blow to their financial situation, something that the people who pushed this through never had to deal with and DGAF.

In the name of the Kids, they fuck the Parents. But, hey, you must suck as a parent if you aren't all on board with this because the people up above said so.

When theory meets reality, there is often a lot of details that were never thought out.

I don't think this is nearly as arduous as you are presenting it. Parents have a lot of options on getting their kids to school. Talk to your neighbors and figure out a carpooling system, have them take the school bus, have them walk or bike to school. Whatever, there are options. It's not always, 'you must drive your kid to and from school.'

Schools, similarly, have a lot of options. Normally the extracurriculars are after school because that made it easier for parents to work a full day and then pick their kid up. There is absolutely nothing preventing schools from putting extracurriculars in the morning, and I can say, for a fact, that my high school, which started at 9 AM years ago, did exactly that. It was actually nice that way because the light workout from extracurriculars are a decent way to wake up in the morning.

 

[Mike95060]

Hey Connor, Busses are not nearly as common as they used to be and weather is a factor in being able to get to school via walking or riding a bike. My Daughter rode her bike to middle school as often as weather would allow but, I'm not comfortable with her riding in the rain and it would be a shitty way to start the day anyway. Even in "bike friendly" towns like Santa Cruz, some people have no real safe ways for their kids to ride or walk to a particular school. I wish municipalities, school systems and parent groups would work together a bit more to make this less of a problem.

 

[Climber]

I don't think this is nearly as arduous as you are presenting it. Parents have a lot of options on getting their kids to school. Talk to your neighbors and figure out a carpooling system, have them take the school bus, have them walk or bike to school. Whatever, there are options. It's not always, 'you must drive your kid to and from school.'

Schools, similarly, have a lot of options. Normally the extracurriculars are after school because that made it easier for parents to work a full day and then pick their kid up. There is absolutely nothing preventing schools from putting extracurriculars in the morning, and I can say, for a fact, that my high school, which started at 9 AM years ago, did exactly that. It was actually nice that way because the light workout from extracurriculars are a decent way to wake up in the morning.

You know how I can tell you aren't a parent?

 

[Climber]

Same. It took me a while but, as soon as I could afford to NOT work overtime I stopped doing it. I have been a worker bee since I was 14, I feel zero shame in not putting in over 40 hrs/week. Money comes and goes but you never get a day back. That was a really hard lesson for me to learn.

I agere with that, which is why I haven't worked corporate in a couple decades. I could have made a shitload more money but I would have spent far, far less time with my kids and coaching would have been impossible. But, you never get that time (with your kids) back and before you know it they are out of the house and moved on and you hardly got to know them.

Even if you don't have kids, but might have wanted to (I have several lady friends who wanted, but didn't have them) but worked too many years, putting it off, then it's too late. Companies and managers don't GAF about your wants and goals in life, they just want to squeeze as much productivity out of you for the least expense that they could.

 

[Mike95060]

You know how I can tell you aren't a parent?

I think it's really hard for people without kids to realize what an unending marathon parenting is. It can feel like death by 1000 cuts when one responsibility is stacked on top of another, on top of another, on top of another. Looked at in isolation one "little" thing like a change in school start times doesn't seem like that big of a deal, and in isolation it isn't. In aggregate it can feel like too much. I think everyone wants the best outcomes for kids. It's hard not to boil over as a parent sometimes when you feel really stretched thin and there is an endless ask for more.

 

[msethhunter]

The argument I responded to was daycare for middle school and above. You are reaching for outliers, and by your own words this has zero impact to you. The time change is a minor shift, not an increase in unsupervised time. I have yet to see anything convincing me this will make it harder for even a small percentage of people. The science behind it would justify it on a benefit for the majority

Maybe you missed that my boy is going to have to be dropped off at the same time, but school starts 30 minutes later, and because he’ll have to stay 30 minutes longer, there won’t be enough time in the day for him to keep his after school job? Quitting a job, even as a high school kid is a big deal, and being at school before faculty is there for an extra 15-20 minutes is also kind of a big deal.

 

[Abacinator]

You know how I can tell you aren't a parent?

The classic, you're not 'x' therefore your opinion is invalid.

I am a parent and getting kids to and from school can be a pain in the ass. Yet somehow we make it work.

 

[ctwo]

I was shown how to walk to my kindergarten class.

When I was 10, I was shown how to take public transit to my morning swimming meets, and then on to school. When I won the swimming championship, I was awarded a new 10 speed bicycle. It took less than a year to get hit by a car pulling out of a 7-11 onto Stevens Creek blvd. I went back to walking for a while.

I rode my skateboard over two miles to school, all year, and went to band practice before school started.

I do not recall anyone, ever, driving me to school, nor having to drag me out of bed to get up.

If I fucked up, I was rewarded with a double-fisted beating.

My middle school employed corporal punishment. I remember the principal showing us his new paddle during a rally on b-ball courts. It had holes drilled through it so it could move through the air easier, and leave nice welt patterns.

 

[mlm]

Since I doubt anyone has actually read the bill, here is the text (from a link from here) https://openstates.org/ca/bills/20192020/SB328/

The people of the State of California do enact as follows:
SECTION 1. Section 46148 is added to the Education Code, to read:
46148.
(a) (1) The schoolday for high schools, including high schools operated as charter schools, shall begin no earlier than 8:30 a.m.
(2) The schoolday for middle schools, including middle schools operated as charter schools, shall begin no earlier than 8:00 a.m.
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(b) For purposes of this section, “schoolday” has the same meaning as defined by the school district or charter school for purposes of calculating average daily attendance in order to compute any apportionments of state funding. This section does not prohibit a school district or charter school from offering classes or activities to a limited number of pupils before the start of the schoolday that do not generate average daily attendance for purposes of computing any apportionments of state funding.

(c) This section shall be implemented by middle schools and high schools no later than July 1, 2022, or the date on which a school district’s or charter school’s respective collective bargaining agreement that is operative on January 1, 2020, expires, whichever is later.

(d) This section shall not apply to rural school districts.

(e) The department is encouraged to post on its internet website available research on the impact of sleep deprivation on adolescents and the benefits of a later school start time and examples of successful strategies for managing the change to a later school start time, and to advise school districts and charter schools of this posting.

(f) The Legislature encourages school districts, charter schools, and community organizations to inform their communities, including parents, teenagers, educators, athletic coaches, and other stakeholders, about the health, safety, and academic impact of sleep deprivation on middle and high school pupils and the benefits of a later school start time, and to discuss local strategies to successfully implement the later school start time.

SEC. 2. If the Commission on State Mandates determines that this act contains costs mandated by the state, reimbursement to local agencies and school districts for those costs shall be made pursuant to Part 7 (commencing with Section 17500) of Division 4 of Title 2 of the Government Code.

 

[mlm]

You know how I can tell you aren't a parent?

I'm a parent. What's your point?

 

[Mike95060]

I was shown how to walk to my kindergarten class.

When I was 10, I was shown how to take public transit to my morning swimming meets, and then on to school. When I won the swimming championship, I was awarded a new 10 speed bicycle. It took less than a year to get hit by a car pulling out of a 7-11 onto Stevens Creek blvd. I went back to walking for a while.

I rode my skateboard over two miles to school, all year, and went to band practice before school started.

I do not recall anyone, ever, driving me to school, nor having to drag me out of bed to get up.

If I fucked up, I was rewarded with a double-fisted beating.

My middle school employed corporal punishment. I remember the principal showing us his new paddle during a rally on b-ball courts. It had holes drilled through it so it could move through the air easier, and leave nice welt patterns.

So are you advocating for double fisted beatings and corporal punishment?

 

[mean dad]

Tells everyone how difficult and taxing his job is due to early hours and differing time zones but brags that he does it BECAUSE HE'S A GROWN UP and then immediately gushes about how he loves his job where he has the best schedule and only works a few days a week.

 

[mlm]

Maybe you missed that my boy is going to have to be dropped off at the same time, but school starts 30 minutes later, and because he’ll have to stay 30 minutes longer, there won’t be enough time in the day for him to keep his after school job? Quitting a job, even as a high school kid is a big deal, and being at school before faculty is there for an extra 15-20 minutes is also kind of a big deal.

No, you're just being unreasonably pessimistic to justify your outrage.

If you are dropping kids off at 7:30-7:40 it sounds like their classes already start at 8:00 . And so what if they wait at the school a bit till classes start. It was pretty common for my son and daughter. There will still be people at the school.

And the horror of the after school job. I'm sure someone employing High School students will make zero allowance for the 30 minute difference. LOL I hear there is a massive surplus of workers at the moment

 

[mlm]

So are you advocating for double fisted beatings and corporal punishment?

Life skills for prison! Besides, if it gets out of hand they can always defend themselves. Guns in School! woo-hoo!

 

[ScarySpikes]

Hey Connor, Busses are not nearly as common as they used to be and weather is a factor in being able to get to school via walking or riding a bike. My Daughter rode her bike to middle school as often as weather would allow but, I'm not comfortable with her riding in the rain and it would be a shitty way to start the day anyway. Even in "bike friendly" towns like Santa Cruz, some people have no real safe ways for their kids to ride or walk to a particular school. I wish municipalities, school systems and parent groups would work together a bit more to make this less of a problem.

The point is that if you move even slightly beyond the (pretty recent) mindset that parents need to just drive their kids to school every time, this becomes a lot less of an issue. Absolutely, demand more and better options from municipalities, say that they shouldn't make the only viable option personally driving students.

You know how I can tell you aren't a parent?

So what? You are fear mongering, I have more experience than you with a school system that started later. As I said, I went to a school that started at 9 AM. I watched my parents, who both worked full time, manage having 3 kids at 3 different schools with 3 different start times, then when my mom died I watched my dada manage the same all on his own. I saw how other families of kids at my school handled the same problem. It's not some insurmountable obstacle or massive headache, it's a minor schedule change with a lot of different options to manage it.

 

[Ridley]

I think it's really hard for people without kids to realize what an unending marathon parenting is. It can feel like death by 1000 cuts when one responsibility is stacked on top of another, on top of another, on top of another. Looked at in isolation one "little" thing like a change in school start times doesn't seem like that big of a deal, and in isolation it isn't. In aggregate it can feel like too much. I think everyone wants the best outcomes for kids. It's hard not to boil over as a parent sometimes when you feel really stretched thin and there is an endless ask for more.

As a parent, the truth in Mike’s post in undeniable.