Dumb-assed change to schools, they must start later in the morning.

[ctwo]

So are you advocating for double fisted beatings and corporal punishment?

I might not be qualified to answer that, but I turned out pretty damn good.

At least I don't have a criminal record, always held a decent job, have no debt, and I'm polite to people I meet in person.

 

[mlm]

I think it's really hard for people without kids to realize what an unending marathon parenting is. It can feel like death by 1000 cuts when one responsibility is stacked on top of another, on top of another, on top of another. Looked at in isolation one "little" thing like a change in school start times doesn't seem like that big of a deal, and in isolation it isn't. In aggregate it can feel like too much. I think everyone wants the best outcomes for kids. It's hard not to boil over as a parent sometimes when you feel really stretched thin and there is an endless ask for more.

Thing is, status quo changes. Your kids generally only spend 3-4 years in a middle school or high school, and there are significant changes every time they progress levels. I don't see this change really making much of a difference, especially since it was known since 2019 (3 years).

 

[Mike95060]

I might not be qualified to answer that, but I turned out pretty damn good.

At least I don't have a criminal record, always held a decent job, have no debt, and I'm polite to people I meet in person.

A lot of good people are the product of harsh treatment. I'm not sure that we can justify the harsh treatment because of that fact.

 

[msethhunter]

So what? You are fear mongering, I have more experience than you with a school system that started later. As I said, I went to a school that started at 9 AM. I watched my parents, who both worked full time, manage having 3 kids at 3 different schools with 3 different start times, then when my mom died I watched my dada manage the same all on his own. I saw how other families of kids at my school handled the same problem. It's not some insurmountable obstacle or massive headache, it's a minor schedule change with a lot of different options to manage it.

Edited: Low blow, and uncalled for.

Also. “My dad, BOOTSTRAPS YO!”

 

[Mike95060]

Mikey, i appreciate the change.

 

[gnahc79]

Hey Connor, Busses are not nearly as common as they used to be and weather is a factor in being able to get to school via walking or riding a bike. My Daughter rode her bike to middle school as often as weather would allow but, I'm not comfortable with her riding in the rain and it would be a shitty way to start the day anyway. Even in "bike friendly" towns like Santa Cruz, some people have no real safe ways for their kids to ride or walk to a particular school. I wish municipalities, school systems and parent groups would work together a bit more to make this less of a problem.

Walking and riding a bike these days is NOTHING like when we were kids. Population density and cellphones have ruled that out for our family. I drive my kids to the bus stop. It's across a busy 4 lane street with a median (40mph speed limit). The crosswalks are near the bottom of a hill, so cars often fly by at 50mph+. Every day I make a uturn at a light to get to the bus stop and this past September an AT&T truck blew past a red light and totaled our car (we were fine). If it was my kid crossing the street at that time...yeah no way my kid is walking to the bus stop.
Our kids did walk to elementary school though, well until the school district closed the school permanently in 2020 due to low enrollment. No thru traffic for their path to/from school, so that's why it was ok.

 

[Mike95060]

Walking and riding a bike these days is NOTHING like when we were kids. Population density and cellphones have ruled that out for our family. I drive my kids to the bus stop. It's across a busy 4 lane street with a median (40mph speed limit). The crosswalks are near the bottom of a hill, so cars often fly by at 50mph+. Every day I make a uturn at a light to get to the bus stop and this past September an AT&T truck blew past a red light and totaled our car (we were fine). If it was my kid crossing the street at that time...yeah no way my kid is walking to the bus stop.
Our kids did walk to elementary school though, well until the school district closed the school permanently in 2020 due to low enrollment. No thru traffic for their path to/from school, so that's why it was ok.

Exactly. My kids have to cross 41st avenue during a morning commute. No overpass. It sucks and scares the shit out of me. :/

 

[Eldritch]

I don't think this is nearly as arduous as you are presenting it. Parents have a lot of options on getting their kids to school. Talk to your neighbors and figure out a carpooling system, have them take the school bus, have them walk or bike to school. Whatever, there are options. It's not always, 'you must drive your kid to and from school.'

Schools, similarly, have a lot of options. Normally the extracurriculars are after school because that made it easier for parents to work a full day and then pick their kid up. There is absolutely nothing preventing schools from putting extracurriculars in the morning, and I can say, for a fact, that my high school, which started at 9 AM years ago, did exactly that. It was actually nice that way because the light workout from extracurriculars are a decent way to wake up in the morning.

Well, part of the problem as I understand it is that in many areas, the School Bus System has been largely dismantled and may not even be an option, so it totally makes sense that a School Bus system would need to be reinstated to better facilitate older children being able to get themselves to and from school.

Half the point of a school system these days it to prepare people to be desk chained office drones, so anything we can do to change schedules and systems to better accommodate that is an excellent path.

 

[Mike95060]

^ I can only speak for Santa Cruz but, you are correct that bus service is non existent here.

 

[Climber]

So what? You are fear mongering, I have more experience than you with a school system that started later. As I said, I went to a school that started at 9 AM. I watched my parents, who both worked full time, manage having 3 kids at 3 different schools with 3 different start times, then when my mom died I watched my dada manage the same all on his own. I saw how other families of kids at my school handled the same problem. It's not some insurmountable obstacle or massive headache, it's a minor schedule change with a lot of different options to manage it.

You just proved my point, you have no clue whatsoever.

You will never know what it's like to be a parent, unless you've been one, just as guys will never know what it's like to be pregnant and give birth.

The worst part is, you think you know and nobody could convince you that you don't.

 

[mlm]

The traffic/pedestrian safety issues are a rational concern, but they also speak to a separate legitimate problem.

FWIW, my kids have dealt with the same. For Elementary it meant crossing a busy street, and MS and HS there is an offramp. Once they hit MS we also got them Clipper passes because it is on one of the few frequent stop bus lines hat bypasses the busy intersections

 

[Climber]

I'm a parent. What's your point?

It wasn't directed to you. What's your point?

 

[mlm]

You just proved my point, you have no clue whatsoever.

You will never know what it's like to be a parent, unless you've been one, just as guys will never know what it's like to be pregnant and give birth.

The worst part is, you think you know and nobody could convince you that you don't.

So, because I am a parent and agree with him, does that disprove your point?

Connor has a perspective, and so do you, and so do I. You can't just pick some discriminating factor to justify ignoring it.

 

[Abacinator]

You just proved my point, you have no clue whatsoever.

You will never know what it's like to be a parent, unless you've been one, just as guys will never know what it's like to be pregnant and give birth.

The worst part is, you think you know and nobody could convince you that you don't.

argumentum ad verecundiam

 

[chickenfried]

ugggg change bad uggg uggg. Seeing him die on this hill is so funny considering how far left he is usually. But maybe I'm confusing him with another poster.

So, because I am a parent and agree with him, does that disprove your point?

Connor has a perspective, and so do you, and so do I. You can't just pick some discriminating factor to justify ignoring it.

 

[ScarySpikes]

You just proved my point, you have no clue whatsoever.

You will never know what it's like to be a parent, unless you've been one, just as guys will never know what it's like to be pregnant and give birth.

The worst part is, you think you know and nobody could convince you that you don't.

This is clownish. I'm probably the only person here that has personal experience with a grade school that had a late start time, but somehow my experience doesn't matter because I'm not a parent.

Can you explain to me what massive, earth shattering change there will be in your life if your kid has classes starting at 8:30, and an hour or so extracurricular activity that starts before classes begin, instead of your kid starting at 7:20 or so, and having an hour or so extracurricular after classes end?

 

[mlm]

I blame the oil companies for this. It's clearly a plot for them to make more profits

 

[Karbon]

I might not be qualified to answer that, but I turned out pretty damn good.

At least I don't have a criminal record, always held a decent job, have no debt, and I'm polite to people I meet in person.

I mean, sure according to you. By all accounts the way you turned out...it's an exception to the rule. Systemically, corporal Punishment straight up fucks children up. A lot of these problems tend to show up later in life as emotional problems among other things). You can discipline children without traumatizing them.

 

[JesasaurusRex]

Maybe you missed that my boy is going to have to be dropped off at the same time, but school starts 30 minutes later, and because he’ll have to stay 30 minutes longer, there won’t be enough time in the day for him to keep his after school job? Quitting a job, even as a high school kid is a big deal, and being at school before faculty is there for an extra 15-20 minutes is also kind of a big deal.

Buy him a book on how to build transmissions. Can read it in his new found spare time.

 

[ctwo]

I mean, sure according to you. By all accounts the way you turned out...it's an exception to the rule. Systemically, corporal Punishment straight up fucks children up. A lot of these problems tend to show up later in life as emotional problems among other things). You can discipline children without traumatizing them.

Spare the rod... you know, mom's favorite clichés...

Who knows. If I have to take care of her in her old age, maybe I slap her around a bit.

kidding of course