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Golden State Warriors 2017-2018

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Dubbington said:
It's not a regardless situation. The details are important. You asking the refs not make a judgement call when the rule is designed to correct a potentially bad judgement call, kind of like a fail safe. When reviewing the call for Lebron's feet placement they noticed it wasn't a charge but a block. Unfortunate but correct.

Kinda like the tuck rule on Brady or a holding call on the goal line.
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My point is that all officials could see he was clearly multiple feet in front of the line. There was disagreement on the floor with respect to a defensive or offensive foul - one official called a block, and the other called a charge.

The thought is that the refs used the restricted area review to instead change the call on the floor, which is to be frank, ridiculous, and something that really hasn't ever happened in a game like this before.

You can't review the foul... You can review whether or not he was inside the restricted area, but he was nowhere near the line, so it never should have been reviewed. That's the beef. They broke their own rules to change a call that never should have been reviewed in the first place.
 
Bay Arean said:
Isnt it amazing that the NBA would vote Draymond Defensive Player of the Year? I'm sure JR will be this year's candidate. Because they are just the same, donchaknow.
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Here's some of Draymond's (and Durant) excellent defense on that last free throw that George Hill took.

No call on the lane violation.

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Kestrel said:
You can't review the foul... You can review whether or not he was inside the restricted area, but he was nowhere near the line, so it never should have been reviewed. That's the beef. They broke their own rules to change a call that never should have been reviewed in the first place.
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You are wrong.
 
mikev said:
You are wrong.
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You are wrong. You can review the call (block vs charge) during the process of reviewing the question of whether or not the defender was inside the restricted zone.

Lebron was multiple feet away from the restricted zone, and two officials had unobstructed viewpoints to see that. They still used the rule anyway to turn the call around.

Like I said... fucked up officiating all around. I am disgusted.

How about the strip that was called as a foul?

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Or Looney's no call?

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It's fine if we got our asses kicked fair and square - I'm fine with that... but they didn't. Against odds, Cavs were extremely competitive, and had a great shot at winning this game. Officiating played a huge role in ensuring that they didn't. That's just flat out disgusting.
 
Kestrel said:
My point is that all officials could see he was clearly multiple feet in front of the line. There was disagreement on the floor with respect to a defensive or offensive foul - one official called a block, and the other called a charge.

The thought is that the refs used the restricted area review to instead change the call on the floor, which is to be frank, ridiculous, and something that really hasn't ever happened in a game like this before.

You can't review the foul... You can review whether or not he was inside the restricted area, but he was nowhere near the line, so it never should have been reviewed. That's the beef. They broke their own rules to change a call that never should have been reviewed in the first place.
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In a review like that, they can change the foul.

Since the 2012-13 season, referees have reviewed all block/charge calls when they are not reasonably certain as to whether the defender was inside or outside of the restricted area. For more information about what constitutes a block or a charge. Restricted area replays are conducted only during the last two minutes of the fourth period and during all of overtime.

When conducting their review, referees attempt to confirm or overturn their original call.

The call is deemed a block if referees deem the defender was:

Not in a legal guarding position, or
In a legal guarding position, but inside the restricted area
The call is deemed a charge if the defender was in a legal guarding position and outside the restricted area.
Referees also determine if any unsportsmanlike acts or unnecessary contact occurred.
 
DTM74 said:
In a review like that, they can change the foul.

Since the 2012-13 season, referees have reviewed all block/charge calls when they are not reasonably certain as to whether the defender was inside or outside of the restricted area. For more information about what constitutes a block or a charge. Restricted area replays are conducted only during the last two minutes of the fourth period and during all of overtime.

When conducting their review, referees attempt to confirm or overturn their original call.

The call is deemed a block if referees deem the defender was:

Not in a legal guarding position, or
In a legal guarding position, but inside the restricted area
The call is deemed a charge if the defender was in a legal guarding position and outside the restricted area.
Referees also determine if any unsportsmanlike acts or unnecessary contact occurred.
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I don't think he wants to hear the truth and the opinions of people much more knowledgeable on this topic. Case closed. They wuz robbed. Shit, even KD mentioned last night that he had a call reversed against him in that exact situation since the rule took effect. Sports media is all over it today, agreeing that the right call was made. I didn't like it for exactly the reason of what we are witnessing here. Not enough Prep H in the world to make up for this butthurt. And two years ago, seeing Draymond get suspended and the Dubs lose the series probably put me in a similar frame of mind.
 
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Kestrel said:
It's fine if we got our asses kicked fair and square - I'm fine with that... but they didn't. Against odds, Cavs were extremely competitive, and had a great shot at winning this game. Officiating played a huge role in ensuring that they didn't. That's just flat out disgusting.
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The refs didn't miss the second free throw, nor did they run out the clock thinking they had a lead....

Why complicate a simple game? :laughing

Besides, Cavs still have a chance, these 7 game series are an endurance race.
 
Not worth arguing anymore. Kes doesn't wanna hear it. He's not about getting the call right/correct. He's now dissecting the game and laying out every call or non call that went the warriors way implying the cavs fouls were all 100% correct. We see in super slow mo Lebron's feet were outside but apparently the refs didn't OR they weren't in agreement so it led to a review. That's the judgment piece. Easy to make the call on our computers.

You know, they nearly had the double the rebounds of the warriors and still lost. Maybe if someone else can make a bucket they wouldn't have been in that position where the refs could potentially impact the game.

League already saved them by announcing Kevin Love wont be suspended. Tristan may still be. I believe he should as he was tossed THEN hit Draymond. That's double flagrant, buh bye!
 
DTM74 said:
In a review like that, they can change the foul.

Since the 2012-13 season, referees have reviewed all block/charge calls when they are not reasonably certain as to whether the defender was inside or outside of the restricted area. For more information about what constitutes a block or a charge. Restricted area replays are conducted only during the last two minutes of the fourth period and during all of overtime.
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Again, that's my point. This has nothing with whether or not the blocking/charge call was correct. It's unreasonable to think that they were uncertain whether or not he was inside or outside the restricted area... He's clearly an entire stride outside the restricted area, and both officials have an unobstructed line of sight to verify that. That rule only applies when there is question as to position... and by any stretch, there wasn't. He was clearly outside the restricted zone. It never should have been reviewed, and thus the foul call never should have been subject to review either.


Bay Arean said:
I don't think he wants to hear the truth and the opinions of people much more knowledgeable on this topic. Case closed. They wuz robbed. Shit, even KD mentioned last night that he had a call reversed against him in that exact situation since the rule took effect. Sports media is all over it today, agreeing that the right call was made. I didn't like it for exactly the reason of what we are witnessing here. Not enough Prep H in the world to make up for this butthurt. And two years ago, seeing Draymond get suspended and the Dubs lose the series probably put me in a similar frame of mind.
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:nchantr

Those are some seriously lofty assumptions there. What exactly was "the truth" here? Media "united" that it was the right call? Not from what I'm seeing. Every headline reads "Critical" "Controversial" "Officiating Stains..." etc etc etc.

The rule is bizarre—all non-flagrant contact fouls are left to a referee's judgement and deemed unreviewable, except in this specific instance—and even the apparently correct application prompts a double take. Did the refs really not see that LeBron was at least a foot outside the restricted area, or were they responding to an apoplectic Oracle crowd by utilizing this bizarre loophole? This also wasn't the only time the officials raised eyebrows Thursday night. There was a sequence earlier in the fourth where LeBron was called for a foul on what looked like a clean strip of Kevin Durant. On the next Cavs possession, it appeared LeBron was fouled, but it wasn't called and led to a turnover.
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^ Sports Illustrated doens't seem to agree with your 'unanimous agreement on the right call' line of thinking.
 
Dubbington said:
League already saved them by announcing Kevin Love wont be suspended. Tristan may still be. I believe he should as he was tossed THEN hit Draymond. That's double flagrant, buh bye!
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Then where is the technical on Draymond for taunting? That's against NBA rules.

http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_p.html?nav=ArticleList

If a player blatantly taunts an opponent, a technical foul shall be assessed. The opponent WILL NOT, automatically, be assessed a technical foul. His behavior will be the determining factor. Simultaneous taunting is a verbal altercation. Verbal altercations and unsportsmanlike conduct will be administered as a double technical foul and no free throws will be attempted. Technical fouls assessed to opposing teams during the same dead ball and prior to the administering of any free throw attempt for the first technical foul, shall be interpreted as a double technical foul. A PLAYER(S) GUILTY OF TAUNTING MUST BE SINGLED OUT AND PENALIZED. If a previous unsportsmanlike act has been committed and if this situation is BLATANT, a technical foul must be assessed and the guilty player(s) must be ejected.
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That shit goes both ways, dude.
 
ftr, Cavs had 22 free throw chances and made 16 (72.7%)

Ws had 20 free throw chances, and made 19 (95%)

Ws took less shots and 3pters as well.

http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=401034613

it's remarkable, because when Ws fans complain about the refs, the free throw disparity is huge. But the case being laid out now is that getting 2 more free throw chances wasn't nearly enough.
 
Kestrel said:
Then where is the technical on Draymond for taunting? That's against NBA rules.

http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_p.html?nav=ArticleList



That shit goes both ways, dude.
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Was it called? What was said? How do we know Draymond wasn't giving him directions to the bathroom or telling him to have nice dinner?

Didn't look like taunting to me. Tristan is just soft. Dray was clapping. If you considering clapping taunting then I guess.
 
Bowling4Bikes said:
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it's remarkable, because when Ws fans complain about the refs, the free throw disparity is huge. But the case being laid out now is that getting 2 more free throw chances wasn't nearly enough.
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And conventional thinking is that home team always gets more throws.
 
Dubbington said:
Was it called? What was said? How do we know Draymond wasn't giving him directions to the bathroom or telling him to have nice dinner?

Didn't look like taunting to me. Tristan is just soft. Dray was clapping. If you considering clapping taunting then I guess.
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Gesturing went beyond clapping. That wasn't the only instance he was taunting during the game.

http://larrybrownsports.com/basketb...en-mocked-cheerleader-kendrick-perkins/446879

Why permit that? It's pathetically immature, and absolutely taunting. Of course, no call.
 
Kestrel said:
Again, that's my point. This has nothing with whether or not the blocking/charge call was correct. It's unreasonable to think that they were uncertain whether or not he was inside or outside the restricted area...
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According to you.

I believe one ref thought he was and another ref thought it wasn't. To solve that confusion you go to replay. That's the leagues response and 95% possible.

What happened and Cavs fans wont admit to half of it is the refs knew they blew the call and it was a block, not a charge. The whistle was blown, refs got together and said we need to take a look at this, it's really a charge. They used the positioning of feet out of the restricted area and under 2 minutes as a means to reverse the call. Gray area. Sorry.

Should it have been called a charge in the first place, the correct call, none of this arguing would be happening. Cavs fans are in denial it was a charge call and therefore are pissed about the review to check feet placement which technically under the rulebook they are allowed to do. Now....did the refs know he was out or inside of the restricted area? :dunno I'm not a ref paid to pay attention to dozens of things going on at once. Maybe they didn't see his feet after all and all was done under the rules.

Regardless of the refs seeing if Lebron was in or out of the restricted area, he was not set in a guarding position before Durrant was shooting and thus....a charge, the correct call was made.
 
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