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I'm in a Catch-22!

^^^ He's young, not in 30s or 40s, I would presume.
 
Does anyone know why they call it a "Catch 22?" Why not a Catch 21 or Catch 5?

Michael
 
TripleThreat said:
Does anyone know why they call it a "Catch 22?" Why not a Catch 21 or Catch 5?

Michael
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From Joseph Heller's novel:

The title is a reference to a fictional bureaucratic stipulation which embodies multiple forms of illogical and immoral reasoning. That the catch is named exposes the high level of absurdity in the novel, where bureaucratic nonsense has risen to a level at which even the catches are codified with numbers.

A magazine excerpt from the novel was originally published as Catch-18, but Heller's agent, Candida Donadio, requested that it change the title of the novel so it would not be confused with another recently published World War II novel, Leon Uris's Mila 18. The number 18 has special meaning in Judaism (it means life in Gematria) and was relevant to early drafts of the novel which had a somewhat greater Jewish emphasis.[14]

The title Catch-11 was suggested, with the duplicated 1 paralleling the repetition found in a number of character exchanges in the novel, but because of the release of the 1960 movie Ocean's Eleven this was also rejected. Catch-17 was also rejected, so as not to be confused with the World War II film Stalag 17, as well as Catch-14, apparently because the publisher did not feel that 14 was a "funny number". Eventually the title came to be Catch-22, which, like 11, has a duplicated digit, with the 2 also referring to a number of déjà vu-like events common in the novel.[14]

A 1950s/early 1960s anthology of war stories included a short version as "Catch-17".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-22
 
TripleThreat said:
Does anyone know why they call it a "Catch 22?" Why not a Catch 21 or Catch 5?

Michael
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cuz the movie wouldn't sound catchy...

i have state farm and happy with their coverage...

the OP is 21 in the expensive bracket for auto /motorcycle coverage...
 
TheRiddler said:
(Specific figures; $574 Progressive full coverage, $2200 State Farm same coverage)
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I have Prog for my bike, Hartford for the car and house, but was considering switching to State Farm next month to get all 3 on the same policy. Doesn't look like that's going to make sense now.

Btw, I saved $500/yr switching the car and house from Allstate.
 
bluesjr said:
I have Prog for my bike, Hartford for the car and house, but was considering switching to State Farm next month to get all 3 on the same policy. Doesn't look like that's going to make sense now.

Btw, I saved $500/yr switching the car and house from Allstate.
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My anecdotal experience suggests State Farm is great if you're old, and sucks if you're young. That's true with all insurance, it just seems to be more true with State Farm.
 
TheRiddler said:
My anecdotal experience suggests State Farm is great if you're old, and sucks if you're young. That's true with all insurance, it just seems to be more true with State Farm.
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I only started riding when I was 24, but even then SF rates were pretty low. 25 yo on a 600 was ~25 a month.
 
Aluisious said:
The fun part with insuring your track bike is going to collect and being told it will be a point on your license.
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Bingo. Trackday insurance is almost never going to actually be of any net value.


TheRiddler said:
My anecdotal experience suggests State Farm is great if you're old, and sucks if you're young. That's true with all insurance, it just seems to be more true with State Farm.
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With State Farm, it seems displacement is the biggest factor.
 
So I'm with State Farm and young.

25 years old.

2 vehicles - CBR600rr and a Nissan frontier

frontier is ~$550 every six months

CBR is ~$200 every six months

I have full coverage, uninsured, liability, comprehensive, theft, etc. No huge deductibles. I have a short commute, so I do fewer than 7500 miles a year on each vehicle (its close though).

I have a clean record, and I also have my renter's insurance with them. My family has also been with State Farm forever if that matters (not sure?). Its plenty cheap for me to be happy though.
 
Mine was bike only. I know there's usually a multiple vehicle discount.
 
If it helps, I'm 25 by about a month, and my rates haven't gone down yet.
 
TheRiddler said:
My anecdotal experience suggests State Farm is great if you're old, and sucks if you're young. That's true with all insurance, it just seems to be more true with State Farm.
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I'm 24. Got insured with statefarm last year at 23.

My rates are nowhere near your's.

I didn't read the entire thread but is your bike your only vehicle? If so, that's why. Not that you're young.

At the rate you're paying, it would be cheaper for you to buy a bucket car for sub $1000, make that your primary vehicle, and then you get way cheaper prices for your bike because it is not primary and the multiline discount.

I'm paying far less than you are with state farm for my 89 MR2, 08 250, and 09 600RR. I keep minimum coverage on my car and full on the bikes.

P.S. I have 1 accident left on my license. They would not insure me into two other points came off last year. I originally talked to them when I was 22 and the rates were still amazingly competitive.
 
TheRiddler said:
Mine was bike only. I know there's usually a multiple vehicle discount.
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OK that's why.

Do what I said in my last post. Pick up a bucket. Your savings will be virtually instant and will only get better as time goes on. And a cheap beater comes in handy. Buy yourself an 80s/early 90s Toyota or Honda. accord, civic, camry, corolla, whatever.

Are you a student? Get good student discount and good driver discount.

Even though you are young, you can have low insurance rates.
 
Get a trackbike. You can learn a lot faster when you're not busy thinking about how to get to work the next day.
 
jaguar said:
So I'm with State Farm and young.

25 years old.

2 vehicles - CBR600rr and a Nissan frontier

frontier is ~$550 every six months

CBR is ~$200 every six months

I have full coverage, uninsured, liability, comprehensive, theft, etc. No huge deductibles. I have a short commute, so I do fewer than 7500 miles a year on each vehicle (its close though).

I have a clean record, and I also have my renter's insurance with them. My family has also been with State Farm forever if that matters (not sure?). Its plenty cheap for me to be happy though.
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Lulz
I'm 26 with a frontier and a cbr600
 
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