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Is chivalry really dead?

JesasaurusRex said:
Her hands don't work?
Feminism killed chivalry if you want the honest truth
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OMG OMG OMG!!! I shake my head at this. Feminism had nothing to do with killing chivalry. Chivalry, in its true definition, is an outdated mandate having to do with women being hindered by societal placement and actually tgeir required clothing.
To say Feminism killed off basic common courtesey is a fallacy that needs to be challenged. What has killed basic "chivalry" is the expectations that come with it.
:mad
:rant

Melissa said:
I always open the door for people.
Chivalry is not dead.

Then again, I am almost as old as Ernie.
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:applaud

JakesKTM said:
equal rights! Chivalry not included.
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equal rights have nothing to do with basic courtesy

CABilly said:
Chivalry died with plate armor. Ditch the trilby, shave your neck, and just treat women as people who deserve respect without being on a pedestal.
:twofinger

Just kidding, play your game. It seems to be working
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:hail

bruceflinch said:
It helped kill manners and common courtesy for sure
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No!!!! The expectations of returns for practicing common courtesy is what has killed this. As for manners? Really? You say feminism is what killed good manners :rolleyes
 
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ThumperX said:
OMG OMG OMG!!! I shake my head at this. Feminism had nothing to do with killing chivalry. Chivalry, in its true definition, is an outdated mandate having to do with women being hindered by societal placement and actually tgeir required clothing.
To say Feminism killed off basic common courtesey is a fallacy that needs to be challenged. What has killed basic "chivalry" is the expectations that come with it.
:mad
:rant

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No!!!! The expectations of returns for practicing common courtesy is what has killed this. As for manners? Really? You say feminism is what killed good manners :rolleyes
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The definition you give for chivalry, which I mostly agree with, was basically killed by feminism, and good riddance to it.

Common courtesy is separate from chivalry, and it wasn't killed by feminism. It wasn't killed at all. Most of the time people treat each other very decently. The rules of interaction have changed, in some ways for the better, in others for the worse, but most people are polite and courteous most of the time.
 
aminalmutha said:
If I hold the door for anyone and they don't say "thank you", I shout "YOU'RE WELCOME".

Also, I hold it for three people max, after that, fuck you, I'm not a doorstop.

Chival this. :twofinger
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You've got my DYING in this thread!

HappyHighwayman said:
- Holding the door for people is a courtesy meant for all
- If you hold the door for everyone you have common courtesy
- If you hold the door solely for women for being woman you are being a dick, not a knight



End of story
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Totally...that was the core of it; guys were more thankful than women, but IIRC, women were more sensitive that men did so looking for a reaction from women and it wasn't out of the goodness.
 
Besides being only chivalrous is like being "nice"....that's good, but what else do you have on offer? I know tons of "nice" people that have other things that make them interesting. Women don't want a guy who is solely chivalrous....and many women apparently prefer to date interesting assholes than boring nice guys.
 
Why can't people just be nice? It's a shame it has to go any further than that, on both sides of the matter...
 
Kestrel said:
Why can't people just be nice? It's a shame it has to go any further than that, on both sides of the matter...
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This!

Usually it's a few seconds out of one's life to hold a door, let someone back out of a parking space, let the family with kids ahead in line. What's the big deal?
 
if chivalry is considered in terms of what it originally was (centuries ago), i don’t get how it’s been boiled down simply to how men treat women. the closest i can think of is one of the chivalric concepts - of defending the defenseless, and certain members of society’s obligation to do that (there are many others). that one cherry-picked element hardly applies today on the basis of sex. women are not defenseless (to quote one of my favorite songs - we’re not ‘a kitten stuck up a tree somewhere’). and with regard to the overall level of courtesy and consideration of others today - i find most people very courteous and considerate. men and women. and when i come across someone who’s not, i write it off to them having a bad day, and being too wrapped around the axle to think clearly at that particular point in time. we all have bad days. and part of being considerate is not holding that against another person. maybe your smile and politeness will be just the thing they need to get through it. my :2cents
 
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Cali said:
Getting back in to the dating game. As a pilot it's actually harder to meet people than you'd think. It isn't all glamorous, and before you stay it, no... is best to just stay away from flight attendants.

Anyway, decided to give Bumble a try, have a few matches, asked one out for dinner and she accepted. Had a plan, pick her up, take her out (eventually sometime down the road PIITB since you are going to say it anyway :twofinger ). Then she came back with something that just threw me off.

"Is there a reason you want to pick me up? I've never had that offered before. It's new to me."

Are you serious? I'm 39, she's 28. Do young guys and "boys" really not do this anymore? Drive to her house, pick her up, open the door? You know, be a gentleman? And women, why are you allowing guys to be so lazy and not put in any effort? Now I can understand we haven't met, maybe she wants to meet somewhere before I go to her house, that's no problem. But to have no idea about a man doing this for a woman, it being new?

The date itself was fine, not really into her. No, I didn't PIITB, didn't even go for a goodnight kiss which I think she was wanting because she lingered at her car longer than necessary.

Anyway, was just surprised by it.
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No, not dead. Just tired, battle hardened, and often misunderstood.

JesasaurusRex said:
Her hands don't work?
Feminism killed chivalry if you want the honest truth
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A man's honor is not defined by the way people around him behave, or what the expectations of others are.
 
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Kestrel said:
Why can't people just be nice? It's a shame it has to go any further than that, on both sides of the matter...
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People are only nice when there is an adequate supply to meet the demand. Otherwise, people are inherently selfish. Limited supply of 40" 4K TV's on Walmart 40% off, and you get Black Friday fuckery.

Similarly there are only so many smokeshows, Chads, and Brads to go around for the eligible dating populace.
 
The weaker sex should be treated as an equal while being put on a pedestal and worshipped with every option available in chivalry. Anything less and the man is a chauvinistic pig.

I heard William Shatner say on that old guy show he “never farts around his wife” and “she appreciates it”. Truth or fiction?
 
Chivalry is the code of honor and conduct between medieval knights on horseback. None of you are knights. I'm not a knight. Now you have learned something new. Go forth and spread the true knowledge! :twofinger
 
That’s one definition. Here’s another;

courteous behavior, especially that of a man toward women.
plural noun: chivalries
"their relations with women were models of chivalry and restraint"
synonyms: gallantry, gentlemanliness, courtesy, courteousness, politeness, graciousness, mannerliness, good manners
"acts of chivalry"
antonyms: rudeness
 
aminalmutha said:
If I hold the door for anyone and they don't say "thank you", I shout "YOU'RE WELCOME".

Also, I hold it for three people max, after that, fuck you, I'm not a doorstop.

Chival this. :twofinger
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This, except the 3 person max part. After three people I start saying "I take tips!". That generally puts a smile on some faces.

If everyone treated each other with common respect, courtesy and decency, the world would be a much better place.
 
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